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 Post subject: per AM1000 - Cubs Sign C Dioner Navarro, NOT Jaime
PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 2:34 pm 
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cubs signing Catcher Navarro?

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His agent announcing it as well. Looks like it.


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You shoud probably edit your title to say that.

Oh and thanks for noting that it was the catcher Navarro....I was worried that they dug up Jamie Navarro from somewhere.

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Not much pop, right? I have no idea as to his defense. Would be nice if it was above average.

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And the Steve Clevenger era ends.


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Had a solid year in 2008 and actually made the All Star team, then was terrible for most of 3 seasons before 74 solid PA with the Reds last year. He's had a cumulative -0.6 WAR since his 1.7 WAR season in 2008 according to BR... 0.2 last year, but positive defensive WAR in all 5 seasons.

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.295/.349/.407/.757 (470 PA)

Slash line from 2009-2011:
.207/.267/.311/.578 (754 PA)

Slash line in 2012:
.290/.306/.449/.755 (74 PA)

FO hoping that tiny sample size was some sort of adjustment or rebirth for him, or at least enough for him to be a passable defensive backup catcher?

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 Post subject: Re: per AM1000 - Cubs Sign C Dioner Navarro, NOT Jaime
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i'm really excited about this if it's 2003

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i'm really excited about this if it's 2003


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 Post subject: Re: per AM1000 - Cubs Sign C Dioner Navarro, NOT Jaime
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And we have an early favorite for the 2013 Joe Mather Award for worst WAR among Cubs position players.


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 Post subject: Re: per AM1000 - Cubs Sign C Dioner Navarro, NOT Jaime
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My guess is this is a minor league deal, so they can take Clevenger off the 40 man for now and they'll compete for an eventual roster spot. The extra 40 man spot is likely more important than either at this exact point.


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And we have an early favorite for the 2013 Joe Mather Award for worst WAR among Cubs position players.


This would be like calling the Cy Young award the R.A. Dickey Award just because he won it the previous season. I don't know how far back you should go, but let's at least call it the Aaron Miles Award.

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KyleJRM wrote:
And we have an early favorite for the 2013 Joe Mather Award for worst WAR among Cubs position players.


This would be like calling the Cy Young award the R.A. Dickey Award just because he won it the previous season. I don't know how far back you should go, but let's at least call it the Aaron Miles Award.

It's the Neifi! Award.

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 Post subject: Re: per AM1000 - Cubs Sign C Dioner Navarro, NOT Jaime
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1.75 mill, per Heyman. Guess its a major league deal after all.


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 Post subject: Re: per AM1000 - Cubs Sign C Dioner Navarro, NOT Jaime
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1.75 mill, per Heyman. Guess its a major league deal after all.


This is the kind of thing that got Hendry the nickname "Retail."

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KyleJRM wrote:
And we have an early favorite for the 2013 Joe Mather Award for worst WAR among Cubs position players.


This would be like calling the Cy Young award the R.A. Dickey Award just because he won it the previous season. I don't know how far back you should go, but let's at least call it the Aaron Miles Award.

According to Fangraphs, the Cubs player (pitcher or position player) who has compiled the lowest/worst career WAR is Jiggs Parrot, an 1890's 2B/3B. So I motion to call the award for worst WAR player on the Cubs, "The Jiggs Parrot Award." Respectively.

Cubs All Time Poisition Players Lowest War:
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?p ... &sort=19,a

Pitchers All Time Lowest War:
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?p ... &sort=17,a

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 Post subject: Re: per AM1000 - Cubs Sign C Dioner Navarro, NOT Jaime
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1.75 mill, per Heyman. Guess its a major league deal after all.


This is the kind of thing that got Hendry the nickname "Retail."

*sigh*

Reminds me of the Reed Johnson signing last offseason.

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KyleJRM wrote:
And we have an early favorite for the 2013 Joe Mather Award for worst WAR among Cubs position players.


This would be like calling the Cy Young award the R.A. Dickey Award just because he won it the previous season. I don't know how far back you should go, but let's at least call it the Aaron Miles Award.

It's the Neifi! Award.


Strangely enough (largely because of mediocre, not bad defense), Neifi was never even close to the worst WAR on the team during his 3 season tenure with the Cubs. In fact, he had positive WAR in all 3 seasons.

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 Post subject: Re: per AM1000 - Cubs Sign C Dioner Navarro, NOT Jaime
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@BruceMiles2112: No surprise as #Cubs sign C Dioner Navarro. Theo indicated they would seek a veteran to push probable No. 1 catcher Welington Castillo

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Reminds me of the Reed Johnson signing last offseason.


Which I still hate.


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1.75 mill, per Heyman. Guess its a major league deal after all.


And now I'm severely annoyed.

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lol 1.75 million

apparently hendry was exploiting a market inefficiency with all though sweet henry blanco contracts

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 Post subject: Re: per AM1000 - Cubs Sign C Dioner Navarro, NOT Jaime
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@BruceMiles2112: No surprise as #Cubs sign C Dioner Navarro. Theo indicated they would seek a veteran to push probable No. 1 catcher Welington Castillo


Well, I don't know how much pushing Navarro is going to do. Probably could have spent 750K and gotten a better option to perform well in spring training. Unless he means they need him to literally push Castillo, and if so the Navarro is the man for the job, but still not worth 1.75M

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lol 1.75 million

apparently hendry was exploiting a market inefficiency with all though sweet henry blanco contracts


Blanco did make $3+M one year

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