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Aledmys Diaz and Dariel Alvarez

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Aledmys Diaz and Dariel Alvarez

Postby davell » Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:59 pm

Diaz is a 22 year old SS, Alvarez a 24 year old OF who can play all 3 positions. Both alpear to be cleared within the week, gaining residency in Mexico. Can't link from my cell, article on MLB.com. I hope Alvarez is good, he won't count against the IFA budget and could fill an OF spot soon, maybe even immediately.

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Re: Aledmys Diaz and Dariel Alvarez

Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:06 pm

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd ... e_40434576

Known for his ability to hit for power and average, Diaz is considered an average runner with an above-average arm. He is closer to Major League-ready of the two prospects.

Alvarez, a right-handed hitter who played for Camaguey in Serie Nacional, defected from Cuba last summer and has been playing professionally in Vera Cruz, Mexico, since October. The 6-foot-2, 190 pound Alvarez can play all three outfield positions and has impressed Major League scouts with his above-average arm during league-play in Mexico.

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Re: Aledmys Diaz and Dariel Alvarez

Postby Slide Castro Slide » Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:11 pm

We'll take em.

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Re: Aledmys Diaz and Dariel Alvarez

Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:17 pm

Some 2011 numbers:

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Name       Age  PA   AVG/OBP/SLG   HR  BB  K
Alvarez     23  365  363/404/613   20  18  20
Diaz        21  345  294/435/433    7  58  23

Cespedes    25  400  333/424/667   33  49  40
Puig        20  380  330/430/581   17  49  39

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Re: Aledmys Diaz and Dariel Alvarez

Postby David » Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:20 pm

Seems weird that Diaz is considered more major league ready when Alvarez is older and has far better numbers...
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Re: Aledmys Diaz and Dariel Alvarez

Postby Gilby » Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:25 pm

David wrote:Seems weird that Diaz is considered more major league ready when Alvarez is older and has far better numbers...


I'm guessing the position and extremely sexy K:BB numbers have something to do with that.

Also, I don't think I had ever seen Puig's numbers. Dang, though we very well might have been the highest bidder. Anyway, judging by the numbers, it looks like Alvarez has the hit tool. If he can play a legit CF, and maybe even if he can't, it might be time to overpay.

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Re: Aledmys Diaz and Dariel Alvarez

Postby sneakypower » Tue Nov 27, 2012 8:48 pm

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Re: Aledmys Diaz and Dariel Alvarez

Postby davell » Wed Nov 28, 2012 6:25 pm

Diaz turns 23 on January 8th and evidently will wait until after then to sign, to skip the IFA crap. Sanchez mentioned he's heard the "usual suspects" have already shown interest in these two.

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Re: Aledmys Diaz and Dariel Alvarez

Postby Slide Castro Slide » Wed Nov 28, 2012 6:30 pm

sneakypower wrote:Alvarez wasn't a good hitter before last year
http://www.claydavenport.com/ht/ALVAREZcubaD03.shtml

Diaz:
http://www.claydavenport.com/ht/DIAZcubaA04.shtml


From what I remember when we were courting Soler and Cespedes, the Cuban league is the equivalent of high A for us. I don't know how I feel about the guy who just figured it out at 23, especially with his BB/K ratios. Kind of like an AAAA guy would be here.

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Re: Aledmys Diaz and Dariel Alvarez

Postby Neuby » Sat Dec 01, 2012 9:19 pm

Hopefully these guys are next in Theo's mission to add depth to the farm system.

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Postby Castro's Spray Chart » Sat Dec 01, 2012 10:14 pm

Man, I want Diaz
neely wrote:but in reality
2006 .364
2007 .351
2008 his one big year
2009 .347
2010 90 games played
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what do you call that?

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Re: Aledmys Diaz and Dariel Alvarez

Postby davell » Wed Dec 12, 2012 11:05 pm

Both have now established residency in Mexico, be FA very soon.

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Re: Aledmys Diaz and Dariel Alvarez

Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Wed Dec 12, 2012 11:06 pm

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd ... b&c_id=mlb

Jesse Sanchez says as early as next week.

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Re: Aledmys Diaz and Dariel Alvarez

Postby davell » Wed Dec 12, 2012 11:28 pm

I'm already preparing myself for Diaz to be a Dodger. If he's a damn good SS prospect, the idea of having Castro in front of him probably isn't all that appealing. My hope is he'll be a fringe SS and amiable to a position change. Alvarez, on the other hand, appears at first glance to be an easier target for us.

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Aledmys Diaz and Dariel Alvarez

Postby WrigleyField 22 » Wed Dec 12, 2012 11:38 pm

Will these guys require 40 man spots? That alone could hamper us at this point I feel. There's some relative deadweight on the 40, but you can't have 1/3 of your non mlbers not be even close to mlb ready


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Re: Aledmys Diaz and Dariel Alvarez

Postby davell » Thu Dec 13, 2012 12:07 am

WrigleyField 22 wrote:Will these guys require 40 man spots? That alone could hamper us at this point I feel. There's some relative deadweight on the 40, but you can't have 1/3 of your non mlbers not be even close to mlb ready


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Who knows? If they're big bonus types, they'll want to be on the 40 man to begin with. That said(we've got the cash anyway), we could conceivably give out a gigantic, one time payment, I suppose and keep them off of it. At their ages though, if they're going to get big money, they ought to be fairly close to being MLB ready as it is.

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Re: Aledmys Diaz and Dariel Alvarez

Postby The Logan » Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:14 am

Transmogrified Tiger wrote:http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20121127&content_id=40434576&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb

Jesse Sanchez says as early as next week.


Well, that was quicker than expected...

Cuban players Dariel Alvarez and shortstop Aledmys Diaz are both officially free agents, tweets Jorge Ebro of El Nuevo Herald. Alvarez, a 24-year-old outfielder, and 22-year-old shortstop Diaz were profiled by MLB.com's Jesse Sanchez last month.
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Re: Aledmys Diaz and Dariel Alvarez

Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Fri Jan 25, 2013 1:19 pm

There are age-related questions on Aldemys Diaz - he hasn't been cleared for free agency: http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/pro ... dmys-diaz/

And there's a scouting report is in that link too:

Age questions and unblocking issues aside, scouting reports on Diaz's talent remain modest. Though Diaz has played shortstop in Cuba, scouts have said he doesn't have the lateral range, quickness or footwork to stay at the position. Diaz has shown some ability with the bat, hitting .315/.404/.500 in 313 plate appearances for Villa Clara in his final season in Cuba, albeit in a high-offensive environment in which he ranked 30th in the league in OBP and tied for 20th in slugging.

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Re: Aledmys Diaz and Dariel Alvarez

Postby craig » Sat Feb 02, 2013 10:02 pm

The age is that he's actually older, and thus a lesser prospect? Or that he's actually younger, and shouldn't be eligible?

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Postby RammyFanny » Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:00 pm

The age thing is that he is possibly younger than reported, and bumped his age up so he could meet the rules to be a normal FA. There were some DOB's from earlier that listed him as a year younger. His agent said those aren't credible and denies everything.
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Re: Aledmys Diaz and Dariel Alvarez

Postby craig » Sun Feb 03, 2013 7:19 am

Good. If he's list age or younger, and the Cubs like him enough to invest a couple million, in the event they signed him, that would mean he'd have at least a chance. If he'd been actually older and a lesser prospect with lesser projection left, that would make him significantly less interesting.

Not sure how hard or easy it is to get out of Cuba these days. And maybe the guy escapes well before he connects with the agent. But if the agent was really steering this from the beginning, an agent would not want him to defect early. Doesn't want him to sit out for a year, and he'll lose some millions I think (assuming he might sign for $2 or more, perhaps Concepcion or more), if he goes into the "pool". In the unlikely event the agent was steering even before the defection, he might not have encouraged that if he didn't believe the age was correct.

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Re: Aledmys Diaz and Dariel Alvarez

Postby davell » Sun Feb 03, 2013 7:51 am

The scouting reports are less than flattering. If the age issue is real, he could get suspended from signing for a year. With the 2nd highest IFA budget this year, I want it spent on high impact types. Which Diaz doesn't appear to be. If he's 23 or older and doesn't count against our IFA budget? Sure. If he's younger and would count against it? Nope.

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Re: Aledmys Diaz and Dariel Alvarez

Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Sun Feb 03, 2013 12:23 pm

After I posted my link, Ben Badler found a few more instances of box scores/media guides from international competitions when he was with Cuba where his age didn't match up. Looks like MLB will have to research it a bit.

Despite being younger, he actually doesn't sound like much of a prospect.


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