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 Post subject: Astros willing to move Bud Norris
PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:03 pm 
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Seems like an ideal fit for the Cubs' needs. They can afford to wait for consistency.

Can't imagine that another team with less holes couldn't beat any Cubs offer.

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 Post subject: Re: Astros willing to move Bud Norris
PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:10 pm 
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Bud Norris will be 28 next year and only has 3 years of team control, I wouldn't give up much for him.

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 Post subject: Re: Astros willing to move Bud Norris
PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 9:12 pm 
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Ehh, I'd be willing to check him out.

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 Post subject: Re: Astros willing to move Bud Norris
PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 11:24 pm 
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i've been waiting years for them to make that guy available


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 Post subject: Re: Astros willing to move Bud Norris
PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2012 11:34 pm 
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For the right price maybe, but wouldn't part with anything significant. He has a good k%, bb% is slightly high. His velocity has declined pretty steadily since 09', however, average FB went from 94, 93.6, 92.6, 91.8 the last 4 years and his slider has seen a similar decline as it has gone from 87.7 in 09' to 84.2 this past year. That's still okay velocity but a pretty clear trend and red flag as he will probably lose effectiveness as he ages/continues to lose velo as he doesn't have great control.

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 Post subject: Re: Astros willing to move Bud Norris
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Always had a really nice K/9 and Gives up fewer than 1 hit per inning. On the negative side he has lost 2 MPH off his fastball in the last couple years and his pitch value on his fastball has been absolutely terrible. I don't know the specifics about why the guy's 92MPH fastball is so bad, but if they can fix that he'd be interesting.


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 Post subject: Re: Astros willing to move Bud Norris
PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 8:11 am 
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I wouldn't be opposed to acquiring Norris, but with the Astros being in the same boat as us, they're likely looking for the type of players that we are, and the ones that we have we certainly don't want to trade.

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 Post subject: Re: Astros willing to move Bud Norris
PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 9:29 am 
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Slide Castro Slide wrote:
but with the Astros being in the same boat as us


You're really going with this one?


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 Post subject: Re: Astros willing to move Bud Norris
PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2012 9:53 am 
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I like Norris a lot. I haven't really followed that closely this year to know if he was hurt, but I do know he took some off his fastball to try and get better command a few years ago. That said, the consistent decline in velocity is alarming, and there were some injury issues in the past (want to say elbow).

All that said, he's 28. There's no point to adding him unless the price is cheap, and I doubt the Astros are going to sell him on the cheap. It just doesn't fit with what seems to be our timeline as of now.


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 Post subject: Re: Astros willing to move Bud Norris
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Nuts&Gum wrote:
Slide Castro Slide wrote:
but with the Astros being in the same boat as us


You're really going with this one?


In terms of exchanging players who don't figure into the future for those that do, yes. And with no urgency to move him, they'll probably expect teams to overpay.

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 Post subject: Re: Astros willing to move Bud Norris
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Slide Castro Slide wrote:
Nuts&Gum wrote:
Slide Castro Slide wrote:
but with the Astros being in the same boat as us


You're really going with this one?


In terms of exchanging players who don't figure into the future for those that do, yes.


Well, that's a hilarious way to spin your wildly incorrect statement, but whatever.


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