2018 Actual MLB Draft Day(s) Thread

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Postby Agony and Ivy » Thu Jun 07, 2018 12:25 am

philosophizer75 wrote:I'm glad nobody drafted him. What kind of talent is he? If there was no external factors, where do you think he would've been drafted?


He would've been drafted in the first round or comp round.
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Postby ConstableRabbit » Thu Jun 07, 2018 1:22 am

He’s a registered sex offender, right? How would that even work? Would he be allowed to be around the bat kids outside of during the game? The kids running the bases on Sunday? Can’t visit schools for charity visits...
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Postby davell » Thu Jun 07, 2018 2:52 am

I half assed read that SI article on this thing. I believe, not positive though, that he's either already completely free and clear, or will be soon, from having any limitations.

No idea why. I think they said he's a low risk offender or some horsefeathers.

Still, NO ONE would feel comfortable in a situation like that. And there's going to be protesters and stuff..... I couldn't fathom it actually being one of those things that after a few years, people forget about it.

I think he's done. At least, I horsefeathering hope so.
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Postby OleMissCub » Thu Jun 07, 2018 3:28 am

philosophizer75 wrote:I'm glad nobody drafted him. What kind of talent is he? If there was no external factors, where do you think he would've been drafted?


A legit talent. Last year as a junior pitching in the Pac-12 he gave up just 10 runs in 118 innings.
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Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Thu Jun 07, 2018 4:58 am

davell wrote:Eh, Wes just told me there's a PG guy and also his local beat writer that are questioning whether he was taken too late.

He might be a kid that hates school, but his parents have a number in mind and if he doesn't get it, they'll make him go to school any way.


Ditching Tennessee for a JC. He’s positioning himself to get drafted again next year:

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Postby cubfan » Thu Jun 07, 2018 5:09 am

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jersey cubs fan wrote:Raping a kid is not a "mistake".

This isn't a guy that got caught stealing a 6-pack of beer.


My initial reaction was the same, but after reading up on the full story, I'm not as sure. I still don't think I'd draft him but there was enough other things going on with the story that is was not as clear cut as I first thought.


I read the part where he plead horsefeathering guilty for molesting his 6 year old niece. You probably read the same blog post every other Heimlich truther read which was written by a close family friend in order to try and get him drafted. There's no selling it to your fanbase that you took an admitted child molester and there's no chance that plays in a clubhouse full of athletes with children of their own.

The felon wanted to save his family and keep them together by sparing them a trial? GTFOH with that horsefeathers. First, this isn't some traffic violation where you wake up and say horsefeathers it I've got better things to do than go to court on this glorious Wednesday, I'll just admit guilt so I don't have to waste an entire day. If this was some made up charge I think I go down swinging instead of just accepting the deal that labels me a sex offender. Second, why the horsefeathers would you want to keep a family together if they're making up sexual assault claims against one another? Finally, children do not tend to lie about abuse, so just accepting his new innocence claims over the signed horsefeathering plea deal is asinine to me.


I read the SI article. The reason the article gave for the plea was that they didn't think they could win and the plea deal was pretty light compared to what would have happened if he lost. As I said before, reading it didn't change my mind but seems to be more complicated than what I first thought. After reading the article, I'm guessing that he did it, but managed to convenience himself that he didn't enabling him to pass a couple polygraph tests. I'm happy the Cubs didn't draft him but I'm not going to be surprised if he ends up signing with someone at some point.
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Postby Agony and Ivy » Thu Jun 07, 2018 9:53 am

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My initial reaction was the same, but after reading up on the full story, I'm not as sure. I still don't think I'd draft him but there was enough other things going on with the story that is was not as clear cut as I first thought.


I read the part where he plead horsefeathering guilty for molesting his 6 year old niece. You probably read the same blog post every other Heimlich truther read which was written by a close family friend in order to try and get him drafted. There's no selling it to your fanbase that you took an admitted child molester and there's no chance that plays in a clubhouse full of athletes with children of their own.

The felon wanted to save his family and keep them together by sparing them a trial? GTFOH with that horsefeathers. First, this isn't some traffic violation where you wake up and say horsefeathers it I've got better things to do than go to court on this glorious Wednesday, I'll just admit guilt so I don't have to waste an entire day. If this was some made up charge I think I go down swinging instead of just accepting the deal that labels me a sex offender. Second, why the horsefeathers would you want to keep a family together if they're making up sexual assault claims against one another? Finally, children do not tend to lie about abuse, so just accepting his new innocence claims over the signed horsefeathering plea deal is asinine to me.


I read the SI article. The reason the article gave for the plea was that they didn't think they could win and the plea deal was pretty light compared to what would have happened if he lost. As I said before, reading it didn't change my mind but seems to be more complicated than what I first thought. After reading the article, I'm guessing that he did it, but managed to convenience himself that he didn't enabling him to pass a couple polygraph tests. I'm happy the Cubs didn't draft him but I'm not going to be surprised if he ends up signing with someone at some point.


The SI article was a family driven PR stunt to try and get him drafted. When you’re charged with something like that and you’re innocent you don’t just say aw shucks I really don’t want to go through the hassle of not being labeled a child molester the rest of my life. You fight to try and not be labeled a child molester. Kids rarely lie about being abused.

He’s a scumbag or the biggest moron on the planet and his career is over once the Beavers season ends hopefully in some heartbreaking fashion. Nobody on an Indy ball team will want him in the clubhouse and nobody in affiliated ball with sisters and daughters will want him around. No org is going to take the chance of alienating a huge part of their fan base for a guy who has a 50/50 shot at actually helping them win. I know I would immediately cease being a Cubs fan if they signed him. If he plays somewhere I hope he suffers a debilitating injury and I mean that. Screw pitchers and really screw pitchers that molest little kids.

JFC I thought this would be the one thing the internet could agree on but here we are with Luke Heimlich truthers in every corner. There’s nothing whatsoever complicated about this. He was accused of a heinous crime and then admitted to the heinous crime. Read his “apology” after he was found out.
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Postby toonsterwu » Thu Jun 07, 2018 10:18 am

On a wholly separate note,

Been catching up on the draft yesterday. Granted, a chunk of those Day 3 guys won't sign.

Still ... as lukewarm as I was to start off the draft this might be my favorite draft under Theo/Jed/Jason. It probably won't have the overall impact of some of the other drafts, but there's a depth and balance to this draft. Yeah, wasn't a huge fan of the run of OF's early, but I liked a lot of the Day 2 picks, there's some pitchers with upside, some pitchers with floor, there's some power bats, some speed, and some gambles on upside (namely, Davis, but a few others).

I'd be stunned if this draft didn't produce a few useful major leaguers. It might not produce stars, but that's okay.
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Pretty awesome loophole to pay a kid for his football services. Must be a Michigan booster in or connected to the Rangers FO. Patterson hasn’t played baseball since he was 14.
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Postby jersey cubs fan » Thu Jun 07, 2018 1:45 pm

He's in line for a sweet jersey and commemorative plaque
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Postby OleMissCub » Thu Jun 07, 2018 2:02 pm

jersey cubs fan wrote:He's in line for a sweet jersey and commemorative plaque


Quite certain they'll be more to it than that.
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Postby jersey cubs fan » Thu Jun 07, 2018 2:16 pm

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jersey cubs fan wrote:He's in line for a sweet jersey and commemorative plaque


Quite certain they'll be more to it than that.

What do these ceremonial 40th round guys get beyond that. Every other story is about making some kids dream come true or something, yet your belief is that a michigan alum will funnel a significant sum of cash through the rangers to make this happen, and the rangers are happy to play along?
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Postby TomtheBombadil » Thu Jun 07, 2018 2:59 pm

Brennen Davis can flame out fast but I really like that pick, especially coming behind a college bat with skills that should see the show. Davis has a premium frame at 6'4" with CF tools, premium athleticism as a two sport guy, healthy....He's probably the highest ceiling HS player this FO has drafted which is nice to have mixed into probably their least exciting draft.

I also really like the Kohl Franklin pick and wouldn't be surprised if he saw significant gains as a pro. Barring him getting fat while injured or being a non-athlete on the mound ala Carson Sands, he might be the most prototypical and well rounded HS arm they've drafted with size, arm strength, and bloodlines in his favor.

I'd also love if they were able to bring in one or two of Pagan, Ras, Parker, or Hanson.
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Postby OleMissCub » Thu Jun 07, 2018 3:23 pm

jersey cubs fan wrote:
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jersey cubs fan wrote:He's in line for a sweet jersey and commemorative plaque


Quite certain they'll be more to it than that.

What do these ceremonial 40th round guys get beyond that. Every other story is about making some kids dream come true or something, yet your belief is that a michigan alum will funnel a significant sum of cash through the rangers to make this happen, and the rangers are happy to play along?


Who said significant sum of cash? It's probably 15k or something. If you can explain an honest reason why they would draft a guy who hasn't played baseball since he was 14 (and wasn't even that good at it) who isn't some freaky freak athlete like Michael Vick was, then lay it on me. This isn't like Russell Wilson being drafted, or when the Rangers drafted Jameis Winston (who was a good college player), or when the Cubs drafted Colin Kaepernick (a tremendous high school pitcher). It isn't some make a wish or dream come true story either; Patterson is very likely a future NFL quarterback.

There are so many loopholes being exploited right now in college football in efforts to pay players. Here's a fun one: Mississippi State boosters paid one of their linebackers, Leo Lewis, $11,000 in cash to sign with the school. Lewis admitted this to the NCAA. Why wasn't MS State punished? Because there is a loophole that says a parent of an active player on the team can give money to a recruit. So a local community college coach who makes $32,000 a year was able to hand Lewis $11,000 in cash in the parking lot of the MS State athletic complex because his son was a current player at MS State. NCAA was informed by Lewis himself and all they could do was shrug their shoulders.
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Postby KingCubsFan » Thu Jun 07, 2018 4:37 pm

OleMissCub wrote:This isn't like Russell Wilson being drafted, or when the Rangers drafted Jameis Winston (who was a good college player), or when the Cubs drafted Colin Kaepernick (a tremendous high school pitcher).


I had totally forgotten about this. The Cardinals twitterverse would go wild if they knew.
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Stanford 2B Nico Hoerner (1) has plus-plus speed, great bat-to-ball ability, and sneaky power, but it’s unclear what up-the-middle position he plays and he doesn’t lift the ball much… Arizona prep CF Brennen Davis (2) is a classic power/speed lottery ticket with lots of risk on the contact… SoCal prep CF Cole Roederer (comp 2) had a late injury that dried up his market a bit, but he has great feel to hit and a shot to stay in center… San Diego RHP Paul Richan (comp 2) was likely an underslot play to sign the prep outfielders, has solid-average stuff and some moxie as a back-end/up-and-down type… Duke CF Jimmy Herron (3) has a football background and plus speed but a very flat swing path with little power… Virginia 2B Andy Weber (5) has an advanced feel to hit and is decent at second base, lacks power… Liberty CF D.J. Artis (7) has a very patient approach and is a plus runner who can play center but not a whole lot else. The Cubs draft someone like this every year… Virginia RHP Derek Casey (9) is a favorite senior sign of ours, with a good frame and good delivery. He also throws strikes and has average stuff… Southern Miss 3B Luke Reynolds (9) put up big numbers this year and could turn into a corner utility type… Louisville RHP Riley Thompson (11) has a truly electric arm, running his heater up to 99 mph, but the command and consistency have never been there. Mitchell Parker (28) is a prep lefty from New Mexico with upper-80s stuff, which plays better due to deception, and a good curveball.
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Postby Gmoney08 » Thu Jun 07, 2018 6:43 pm

Regular Show wrote:
Gmoney08 wrote:LOL at anyone doubting Theo/Jed/Jason at this point. Even if he went 0 for this entire draft I would trust him.

His drafts with the Cubs and the Red Sox before obviously have garnered a ton of trust.

Ive seen the Bryant, Schwarber and Happ picks all criticized...

Pretty sure Mookie Betts pick was heavily criticized as well.


Huh, this seems weird to me...

Who is this "Gmoney08" guy? I suspect this might be a fake account/burner account designed to boost the reputations of Theo/Jed/Jason.

Is this your account here Jed Hoyer?





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Postby Gmoney08 » Thu Jun 07, 2018 8:27 pm

CubinNY wrote:
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Ive seen the Bryant, Schwarber and Happ picks all criticized...


lol, you need another group of friends.


Nsbb had doubters on all those picks.
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Postby CubsWin » Thu Jun 07, 2018 10:05 pm

Keith Law's comments on the Cubs top picks:

Nico Hoerner (1) is a high-contact singles hitter from Stanford who was one of the few shortstops in the draft whom you could project to stay at the position long-term. He doesn't have power and rarely walked, but hitters who strike out this seldom are rare, and scouts absolutely raved about the kid's makeup and instincts on the field.


Brennen Davis (2) is a plus runner and center fielder who is an outstanding athlete but a long way off with the bat. His stock was hurt a little by a hamstring injury that kept him from running all-out much of the spring. I'm also annoyed that there was a prospect playing less than two miles from the house I owned and sold in 2013. Great timing, fellas.


Cole Roederer (2C) is a center fielder now with good feel to hit but has a hitch in his swing that probably has to be cleaned up for him to become a good hitter in pro ball. He also likely ends up in a corner where his fringy power could become an issue, so I'm not sure what the carrying tool is here.


Paul Richan (2C) has been up to 94 as a starter with an average breaking ball, missing bats and never walking guys, while giving up a lot of hard contact due in part to the present lack of a average third pitch. He should go out as a starter with the obvious caveat that he'll need that additional weapon to stay there.


Jimmy Herron (3) has an elbow injury that might require Tommy John surgery. But if his arm recovers, he's a center fielder with a good eye at the plate and a simple swing for contact without much power.


Ethan Roberts (4) was an "unbelievable Trackman" guy, which means his pitch data drove him up the board. He'll work with four-seamers up and a hard cutter/slider with a huge spin rate. He has missed a ton of bats for Tennessee Tech on the road to the supers and gets ground balls as well. He's the sleeper of this class for me.


Andy Weber (5) led UVA in average, OBP, slugging and even homers (OK, he had five) this spring while playing a solid second base -- he might be a little better than fifth round, even with the lack of tools, because he also doesn't have a glaring weakness, and I wouldn't be shocked to see him turn into a fringe regular.


D.J. Artis (7) was on the back of my top 100 as a guy with a chance to be a regular in center. He can run and has hand strength but needs to work more on driving the ball.


The write-up on Roberts sounds intriguing...
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Postby TomtheBombadil » Thu Jun 07, 2018 10:20 pm

Yeah, Roberts passes the eye test and seems like a legit pro prospect.

What Law writes about Roederer fits with what I see in the Youtube clips - not alot of power or power potential, not fast, not projectable, looks like he'll move to a corner...I was more meh about this pick than Hoerner, who at least has the whole speed/defense/contact package (skills of the young!) to work with.
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Postby craig » Fri Jun 08, 2018 5:20 am

toonsterwu wrote:On a wholly separate note,

Been catching up on the draft yesterday. Granted, a chunk of those Day 3 guys won't sign.

Still ... as lukewarm as I was to start off the draft this might be my favorite draft under Theo/Jed/Jason. It probably won't have the overall impact of some of the other drafts, but there's a depth and balance to this draft. Yeah, wasn't a huge fan of the run of OF's early, but I liked a lot of the Day 2 picks, there's some pitchers with upside, some pitchers with floor, there's some power bats, some speed, and some gambles on upside (namely, Davis, but a few others).

I'd be stunned if this draft didn't produce a few useful major leaguers. It might not produce stars, but that's okay.


INteresting thoughts, Toonster. I'm not sure I view the draft in the same way. I don't think diversity in a draft is critical. If a couple of drafts focus on pitching, and then one focuses on infielders, I don't mind the "focused" drafts at all. Goal is to get major leaguers, and that's hard; so I won't be surprised at all if the draft doesn't produce many useful big-leaguers. Lots of drafts don't. And with two high-risk HS guys as picks 2 + 3, the chance of missing on both is pretty significant. But I also think the chance of hitting pretty strongly with one or the other is also pretty meaningful, and is maybe higher than with some of the college guys available at that area.

But yeah, I had no complaint with focusing. Think maybe the scouts can do a more thorough job if they know what they're focusing on in a particular draft?

I think you've been kind of negative about the recent pitching-focused drafts. Certainly Hudson year hasn't looked too hot, but that was a hitter-oriented draft.

Last and previous years were pitchign, yes. But, 2015 they weren't starting till round 3. Given nothing 1st or 2nd rounds, I think Hatch, Miller, Clark, Robinson, Swarmer, Mekkes, that's really doing pretty well. Three AA starters this fast, two A+ starters, and Mekkes, I don't think that's too bad starting with 3rd-rounder.

Last year: Lange, Abbott, and Thompson are all already at Myrtle, and pitching pretty well. (K/BB rates are really good.) Little, Uelman, and Lacy are all starting at South Bend, and showing some variable promise. And Estrada seems to look promising in Mesa. So, not sure that was a bad draft.

The goal is to create big-league value, so the fact those pitchers are clustering in A-, A+, and AA, and there isn't much position-support for them, I don't think that changes the chances that those drafts will be big-leauge productive, given that they didn't strt till round 3 in the Hatch draft.

Of course we're all minor-league fans, but the goal isn't to have balanced A-ball teams, it's to produce big-leaguers. So I don't mind having some very imperfect, imbalanced minor-league teams.
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