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Re: 2018 Actual MLB Draft Day(s) Thread

Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 3:43 pm
by Hrubes20
davell wrote:https://twitter.com/jimcallisMLB/status/1015244357727936512?s=19

And we got a dude! With an awesome name too.


Nice!

Re: 2018 Actual MLB Draft Day(s) Thread

Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 4:06 pm
by Regular Show


The Rays had a really good draft by getting perhaps the two most talented LHPs in the draft in McClanahan and Liberatore.

Re: 2018 Actual MLB Draft Day(s) Thread

Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 5:13 pm
by OleMissCub
Holy Hell at Carter Stewart likely passing up over 4 million to sign with Mississippi State...and JT Ginn too. Nice haul for Mississippi State to get two first rounders.

I'm optimistic about Hoglund passing on the Pirates and showing up at Ole Miss. Guess I'll know shortly.

Hoglund's senior stats are just stupid btw. 52 innings, 0.27 ERA, 105k's and 2 walks.

Re: 2018 Actual MLB Draft Day(s) Thread

Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 5:17 pm
by CaliforniaRaisin
OleMissCub wrote:Holy Hell at Carter Stewart likely passing up over 4 million to sign with Mississippi State...and JT Ginn too. Nice haul for Mississippi State to get two first rounders.

I'm optimistic about Hoglund passing on the Pirates and showing up at Ole Miss. Guess I'll know shortly.

Hoglund's senior stats are just stupid btw. 52 innings, 0.27 ERA, 105k's and 2 walks.


I can’t believe how many pitchers are passing up 7 figures when we all know how iffy pitcher’s health is. For every Gerrit Cole, there’s a Karsten Whitson horror story.

Re: 2018 Actual MLB Draft Day(s) Thread

Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 5:43 pm
by OleMissCub
CaliforniaRaisin wrote:
OleMissCub wrote:Holy Hell at Carter Stewart likely passing up over 4 million to sign with Mississippi State...and JT Ginn too. Nice haul for Mississippi State to get two first rounders.

I'm optimistic about Hoglund passing on the Pirates and showing up at Ole Miss. Guess I'll know shortly.

Hoglund's senior stats are just stupid btw. 52 innings, 0.27 ERA, 105k's and 2 walks.


I can’t believe how many pitchers are passing up 7 figures when we all know how iffy pitcher’s health is. For every Gerrit Cole, there’s a Karsten Whitson horror story.


Totally. It's one thing for a hitter to gamble on themselves, but a pitcher? Take that money now.

Re: 2018 Actual MLB Draft Day(s) Thread

Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:18 pm
by CaliforniaRaisin



Re: 2018 Actual MLB Draft Day(s) Thread

Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 10:38 pm
by davell
Stewart's wrist injury complicated things with him. The Braves offered at least 40% of slot, but they definitely were undercutting him. Still, not sure how you pass it up.

Re: 2018 Actual MLB Draft Day(s) Thread

Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 11:26 pm
by OleMissCub
davell wrote:Stewart's wrist injury complicated things with him. The Braves offered at least 40% of slot, but they definitely were undercutting him. Still, not sure how you pass it up.


40% under slot still would have been like 2 million or something like that. Crazy.

I’ve heard that with Hoglund a big factor with him is that he apparently comes from money, so I guess it’s easier to say no with those family circumstances.

Re: 2018 Actual MLB Draft Day(s) Thread

Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 11:32 pm
by Regular Show
davell wrote:Stewart's wrist injury complicated things with him. The Braves offered at least 40% of slot, but they definitely were undercutting him. Still, not sure how you pass it up.


I heard the Braves offered a $4 mil bonus a while back, but Carter and his agent wanted the full slot value. Wrist injuries aren't typically big issues for pitchers and are more worrisome for hitters (takes away power and can be a chronic problem). I don't understand why the Braves didn't offer the full value. If his elbow and shoulder area look fine then you shouldn't really haggle over other stuff.

Re: 2018 Actual MLB Draft Day(s) Thread

Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 11:43 pm
by CaliforniaRaisin

Re: 2018 Actual MLB Draft Day(s) Thread

Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2018 11:47 pm
by CaliforniaRaisin
Regular Show wrote:
davell wrote:Stewart's wrist injury complicated things with him. The Braves offered at least 40% of slot, but they definitely were undercutting him. Still, not sure how you pass it up.


I heard the Braves offered a $4 mil bonus a while back, but Carter and his agent wanted the full slot value. Wrist injuries aren't typically big issues for pitchers and are more worrisome for hitters (takes away power and can be a chronic problem). I don't understand why the Braves didn't offer the full value. If his elbow and shoulder area look fine then you shouldn't really haggle over other stuff.


Anthopoulos has a reputation of doing this now - he didn’t sign first rounders Tyler Beede in 2011 or Phil Bickford in 2013.

Re: 2018 Actual MLB Draft Day(s) Thread

Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2018 12:24 am
by Bear Cub
Neil’s Stone has signed.

Re: 2018 Actual MLB Draft Day(s) Thread

Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2018 12:41 am
by davell
Bear Cub wrote:Neil’s Stone has signed.


Yeah, I'd imagine him and Greindl also got 100k+.

Re: 2018 Actual MLB Draft Day(s) Thread

Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2018 2:43 am
by CaliforniaRaisin
BA has their Cubs draft grades: https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories ... ft-grades/

Best Pure Hitter: Cole Roederer and Nico Hoerner
Best Power: Luke Reynolds, then Brennen Davis
Fastest Baserunner: Edmond Americaan, then DJ Artis just slightly behind
Best Defensive Player: Andy Weber
Best Athlete: Brennen Davis
Best Fastball: Riley Thompson
Best Secondary Pitch: Paul Richan's slider
Best Pro Debut: Cole Roederer (might have been Nico Hoerner if not for his injury)
Most Intriguing Background: Andy Weber (both parents are violinists) and Brennen Davis (owns two pet goats named Marco and Polo)
Best Late-Round Pick: Edmond Americaan
The Ones Who Got Away: Mitchell Parker (28th round) and Tyler Ras (33)

Re: 2018 Actual MLB Draft Day(s) Thread

Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2018 3:14 am
by TomtheBombadil
CaliforniaRaisin wrote:BA has their Cubs draft grades: https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories ... ft-grades/

Best Pure Hitter: Cole Roederer and Nico Hoerner
Best Power: Luke Reynolds, then Brennen Davis
Fastest Baserunner: Edmond Americaan, then DJ Artis just slightly behind
Best Defensive Player: Andy Weber
Best Athlete: Brennen Davis
Best Fastball: Riley Thompson
Best Secondary Pitch: Paul Richan’s slider
Best Pro Debut: Cole Roederer (might have been Nico Hoerner if not for his injury)
Most Intriguing Background: Andy Weber (both parents are violinists) and Brennen Davis (owns two pet goats named Marco and Polo)
Best Late-Round Pick: Edmond Americaan
The Ones Who Got Away: Mitchell Parker (28th round) and Tyler Ras (33)


Nice to see these two getting some post-draft regard in some high value areas. Intuitively these were my two favorite picks. I also liked the Franklin kid.

Davis might have my favorite toolset in the system. There’s a premium frame, premium athleticism, hits from the more valuable side, CF defensive tools, power potential, and his pro debut suggests both the potential to hit and have outstanding plate discipline. Outside of the time missed to injury, nothing catastrophic, his pro debut was on track to be my favorite by a teenage prospect since the future legend that is Isaac Paredes. It’s not often we see a 6’4” up the middle two sport teenager come in and hit ~.300 with a K rate well below the league average. If he stays healthy, maintains the potential skills he displayed during his debut, and progresses as hoped the ceiling is the kind everyone chases.

Richan’s offspeed getting some praise is nice considering his pre-draft strength was fastball command. I believed he was undersold as a talent on draft day, so far so good there.

Re: 2018 Actual MLB Draft Day(s) Thread

Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 5:05 pm
by Hrubes20
TomtheBombadil wrote:
Richan’s offspeed getting some praise is nice considering his pre-draft strength was fastball command. I believed he was undersold as a talent on draft day, so far so good there.


I think this has much more to do with the lack of quality pitching being drafted by the Cubs in 2018 than it does Richan having great offspeed stuff. Even a 55 slider would be the top secondary offering in this draft class.

Re: 2018 Actual MLB Draft Day(s) Thread

Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2018 6:06 pm
by TomtheBombadil
Hrubes20 wrote:I think this has much more to do with the lack of quality pitching being drafted by the Cubs in 2018 than it does Richan having great offspeed stuff. Even a 55 slider would be the top secondary offering in this draft class.


Could also be the case of a 50 or 55 pitch in shape and velocity playing up thanks to control, command, and an ability to sequence in front of a new crowd of scouts in the pro ranks. It’s still not uncommon to see a shift in opinion the first offseason after the draft or debut, guys move up and down all the time then.

Probably it’s a mix of both a re-evaluation and the relatively weak competition. If they’d have landed Mitchell Parker maybe his curveball takes top spot. Really it’s just an early note in their profile with no significance, made relevant for the time being behind a strong pro debut in the NWL and an offseason.