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Re: The Yu Darvish Thread

Postby CubinNY » Mon Jan 29, 2018 9:15 pm

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Dood had a nice RATM reference thrown into his article. We need more of this.


Hahahahaha and some other horsefeathers in the Metrosex is saying Yu "clearly" wants to return to Texas. Ok nobody knows horsefeathers and Yu is probably going to sign with a KBO.

Tucked the same article the guy says Kemp stands little chance of making the opening day roster, so there goes his trade value.
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Postby Bobson Dugnutt » Mon Jan 29, 2018 9:17 pm

yep there it goes.
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Re: The Yu Darvish Thread

Postby Duke Silver » Mon Jan 29, 2018 9:18 pm

Why don't Yu just tell me which team you want to play on?

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Re: The Yu Darvish Thread

Postby UMFan83 » Mon Jan 29, 2018 9:24 pm

Darvish is my clear preference, but if for some reason he went to LAD, I can live with bringing Jake back at a slightly lower cost than Yu, or sign Cobb at a lower cost. I would prefer not to have Monty enter the season as the 5th starter, but mostly because we'd be paper thin. But losing out on Yu wouldn't be a huge catastrophe or anything IMO.
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Re: The Yu Darvish Thread

Postby Bertz » Mon Jan 29, 2018 9:27 pm

A glass half full read of what's happening with all this might be that Yu and the Cubs are really close to putting pen to paper and Yu''s reps are trying one last time to get someone else to swoop in and blow them away with an offer.
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Re: The Yu Darvish Thread

Postby JudasIscariotTheBird » Mon Jan 29, 2018 9:29 pm

UMFan83 wrote:Darvish is my clear preference, but if for some reason he went to LAD, I can live with bringing Jake back at a slightly lower cost than Yu, or sign Cobb at a lower cost. I would prefer not to have Monty enter the season as the 5th starter, but mostly because we'd be paper thin. But losing out on Yu wouldn't be a huge catastrophe or anything IMO.

No catastrophe because we would still be a good team, but he's the best player available and fits into our needs perfectly. I want him very much.
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Re: The Yu Darvish Thread

Postby KrisBryantisaBeast » Mon Jan 29, 2018 9:31 pm

I am tired of the Yu pursuit. Give him a deadline and if he doesn't make a decision by then time to move onto either Arrieta or Cobb.
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Re: The Yu Darvish Thread

Postby David » Mon Jan 29, 2018 9:34 pm

KrisBryantisaBeast wrote:I am tired of the Yu pursuit. Give him a deadline and if he doesn't make a decision by then time to move onto either Arrieta or Cobb.


i really don't care how long the pursuit takes if he decides to come here. there's still over 2 weeks til pitchers and catchers report anyway.

arrieta (no thanks) and cobb probably aren't going anywhere first, either.
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Re: The Yu Darvish Thread

Postby CubinNY » Mon Jan 29, 2018 9:38 pm

Bobson Dugnutt wrote:yep there it goes.

well, yeah, whatever value he had. However tiny.
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Re: The Yu Darvish Thread

Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Mon Jan 29, 2018 9:48 pm

Oh is today the day where other teams try the Yankee playbook on this? "As can be clearly seen by Darvish(and 70 other free agents) waiting this long, he really wants to come to our team. The fact that there's been no news of any interest from the team is irrelevant, as they're working hard to clear the salary to get him, which you can see based on the fact that they [punches numbers in calculator] traded for Matt Kemp."
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Re: The Yu Darvish Thread

Postby Bear Cub » Mon Jan 29, 2018 10:00 pm

Something will break soon because Charles The Cat said so. Ya right!
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Re: The Yu Darvish Thread

Postby Cubswin11 » Mon Jan 29, 2018 10:07 pm

Who is Darvish's agent even? His one on one with Jed/Theo was just because he wanted to work on his English and not because he’s representing himself, right?
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Re: The Yu Darvish Thread

Postby David » Mon Jan 29, 2018 10:09 pm

Cubswin11 wrote:Who is Darvish's agent even?

https://www.forbes.com/profile/joel-wolfe/
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Re: The Yu Darvish Thread

Postby 17 Seconds » Mon Jan 29, 2018 10:40 pm

just sign cobb for 4/60 like we were supposed to 2 months ago
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Re: The Yu Darvish Thread

Postby David » Mon Jan 29, 2018 10:41 pm

17 Seconds wrote:just sign cobb for 4/60 like we were supposed to 2 months ago


nah
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Re: The Yu Darvish Thread

Postby d_money » Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:25 pm

17 Seconds wrote:just sign cobb for 4/60 like we were supposed to 2 months ago

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Re: The Yu Darvish Thread

Postby Cubswin11 » Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:38 pm

17 Seconds wrote:just sign cobb for 4/60 like we were supposed to 2 months ago

If by 4/60 you mean 2/30 or 3/40, sure. But just get Yu
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Re: The Yu Darvish Thread

Postby Bertz » Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:43 pm

David wrote:
17 Seconds wrote:just sign cobb for 4/60 like we were supposed to 2 months ago


nah


Yeah, I have no interest in Cobb (or Arrieta or Lynn for that matter) anymore. Our rotation needs depth, and it would be realy nice to have another guy I feel comfortable having start a playoff game. For me, Darvish is the only guy left who checks that second box.

Cobb is depth, but he's not a guy I'd be happy to have start a playoff game. Realistically, he's Jason Hammel, a league averagish starter who can look like he's a lot more than for a stretch or two each year. There are a few nuggets of Statcast data that suggest there's something more there, but if they were all that compelling he'd have $80 million in hand already.

If we're signing a guy who I'm going to scream at Joe Maddon to get a reliever up for any time a guy gets on base, why give him multiple years? Give me the best third tier starter willing to settle for a one year deal. In the regular season, the difference between that guy and Cobb isn't going to be more than about a win, because even if you choose wrong and that guy is running a 5.50 ERA, you can trade for someone boringly competent like Brandon McCarthy to stop the bleeding. My choice for that guy is Jaime Garcia, but maybe you like Chris Tillman, or Andrew Cashner, or Jason Vargas, or Clayton Richard, etc.

Darvish is appealing because he's a legit star. The rotation's actually in decent shape though, so if we're not adding a star, I think the play mostly revolves around minimizing downside risk. Get a decent backend type and let our all world defense make them look good. Cobb and Chatwood were an either/or proposition for me this winter. Both have upside, both look like solid 3rd/4th starter types, and we needed to sign at least one guy to a multi-year deal so that we don't have to worry about turning over 40%+ of our rotation again next winter.
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Re: The Yu Darvish Thread

Postby 17 Seconds » Mon Jan 29, 2018 11:50 pm

Cubswin11 wrote:
17 Seconds wrote:just sign cobb for 4/60 like we were supposed to 2 months ago

If by 4/60 you mean 2/30 or 3/40, sure. But just get Yu


my heart wants yu, but it kind of feels like it's back to 6/150 for him, and his recent injury history makes that pretty scary to me. i'll still be excited if they end up paying that much to get him, but i don't know if it's a smart decision.
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Re: The Yu Darvish Thread

Postby Cubswin11 » Tue Jan 30, 2018 12:04 am

17 Seconds wrote:
Cubswin11 wrote:
17 Seconds wrote:just sign cobb for 4/60 like we were supposed to 2 months ago

If by 4/60 you mean 2/30 or 3/40, sure. But just get Yu


my heart wants yu, but it kind of feels like it's back to 6/150 for him, and his recent injury history makes that pretty scary to me. i'll still be excited if they end up paying that much to get him, but i don't know if it's a smart decision.

Highly doubt that and if it is go to 8/160 to lessen the LT hit and front load it. Who cares if we’re paying him $10 mil a year 5+ years from now
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Re: The Yu Darvish Thread

Postby David » Tue Jan 30, 2018 12:09 am

Cubswin11 wrote:
17 Seconds wrote:
Cubswin11 wrote:If by 4/60 you mean 2/30 or 3/40, sure. But just get Yu


my heart wants yu, but it kind of feels like it's back to 6/150 for him, and his recent injury history makes that pretty scary to me. i'll still be excited if they end up paying that much to get him, but i don't know if it's a smart decision.

Highly doubt that and if it is go to 8/160 to lessen the LT hit and front load it. Who cares if we’re paying him $10 mil a year 5+ years from now


unless there's some mlb rule/tax implication i'm overlooking (which i don't think bc it's all based on AAV anyway), there's no good reason to frontload when you can backload. money now >>>>>> money later
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Re: The Yu Darvish Thread

Postby WrigleyField 22 » Tue Jan 30, 2018 12:12 am

David wrote:
Cubswin11 wrote:
17 Seconds wrote:
my heart wants yu, but it kind of feels like it's back to 6/150 for him, and his recent injury history makes that pretty scary to me. i'll still be excited if they end up paying that much to get him, but i don't know if it's a smart decision.

Highly doubt that and if it is go to 8/160 to lessen the LT hit and front load it. Who cares if we’re paying him $10 mil a year 5+ years from now


unless there's some mlb rule/tax implication i'm overlooking (which i don't think bc it's all based on AAV anyway), there's no good reason to frontload when you can backload. money now >>>>>> money later

Hmmm... if I can get a player to agree to a lower AAV contract that's frontloaded because he understands time value of money, isn't that potentially a very big deal in determining the tax base?
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Re: The Yu Darvish Thread

Postby Lowblow » Tue Jan 30, 2018 12:13 am

Unless, you foresee a future three to five years from now when you will have to pay Bryant, Rizzo, Russell, Baez, Schwarber, Quintana, et al a lot more money than you will be paying them in the nearer term.
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Re: The Yu Darvish Thread

Postby David » Tue Jan 30, 2018 12:15 am

i was overlooking the possibility that he suggested to frontload as a feature for darvish
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Re: The Yu Darvish Thread

Postby jersey cubs fan » Tue Jan 30, 2018 12:15 am

David wrote:
Cubswin11 wrote:
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my heart wants yu, but it kind of feels like it's back to 6/150 for him, and his recent injury history makes that pretty scary to me. i'll still be excited if they end up paying that much to get him, but i don't know if it's a smart decision.

Highly doubt that and if it is go to 8/160 to lessen the LT hit and front load it. Who cares if we’re paying him $10 mil a year 5+ years from now


unless there's some mlb rule/tax implication i'm overlooking (which i don't think bc it's all based on AAV anyway), there's no good reason to frontload when you can backload. money now >>>>>> money later
you would front load as an incentive to a player to take a lower over AAV to protect you from the tax hit. He gets more money sooner, which has more value, while you avoid tax hit.
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