7/30 Cubs (Arrieta) @ Brewers (Nelson) 7:10, CSN

July 31, 2015

Rondon since the Goldschmidt game (and before today, because I don't want to do the math):

26 IP, 13 H, 6 BB, 23 K, 0.35 ERA, .376 OPS allowed.

Sammy Sofa · July 31, 2015

After seeing what the Astros gave up to the Brewers for a potential one game playoff, I am happy Theo is standing pat.

Umm. The Astros lead their division.
Yeah, but they don't know that 2016 is when they are supposed to start trying.
The Astros are fighting for a division, the Cubs are fighting for a fluke 1 game playoff against a team they'll probably lose too. Kind of a big difference between those two.

Both teams are fighting to get into the playoffs. It's absurd how much you keep talking like it's getting in via winning the division or bust.

ARCubsFan · July 31, 2015

After seeing what the Astros gave up to the Brewers for a potential one game playoff, I am happy Theo is standing pat.

Umm. The Astros lead their division.
Yeah, but they don't know that 2016 is when they are supposed to start trying.
The Astros are fighting for a division, the Cubs are fighting for a fluke 1 game playoff against a team they'll probably lose too. Kind of a big difference between those two.

Both teams are fighting to get into the playoffs. It's absurd how much you keep talking like it's getting in via winning the division or bust.

There's a huge difference between fighting for a division and fighting for the 2nd wild card. Getting the Wild Card is a one game fluke, getting the division guarantees you 3 games.

Proven Veteran · July 31, 2015

After seeing what the Astros gave up to the Brewers for a potential one game playoff, I am happy Theo is standing pat.

Umm. The Astros lead their division.
Yeah, but they don't know that 2016 is when they are supposed to start trying.
The Astros are fighting for a division, the Cubs are fighting for a fluke 1 game playoff against a team they'll probably lose too. Kind of a big difference between those two.

Both teams are fighting to get into the playoffs. It's absurd how much you keep talking like it's getting in via winning the division or bust.

Everyone knows that no wildcard team has ever won the world series, it's literally impossible.

DiamondMind · July 31, 2015

There's a huge difference between fighting for a division and fighting for the 2nd wild card. Getting the Wild Card is a one game fluke, getting the division guarantees you 3 games.

tell that to the royals and giants

ARCubsFan · July 31, 2015

There's a huge difference between fighting for a division and fighting for the 2nd wild card. Getting the Wild Card is a one game fluke, getting the division guarantees you 3 games.

tell that to the royals

The Royals ran into a collapsing Oakland team and got a home game in that Wild Card. The Cubs are all but guaranteed to get a good Pittsburgh team in Pittsburgh. If they win that? St. Louis.

sontensei · July 31, 2015

The Astros are fighting for a division, the Cubs are fighting for a fluke 1 game playoff against a team they'll probably lose too. Kind of a big difference between those two.

yup so dont do anything especially since you have the 10th best record out of all teams in baseball and 5th in the NL. oh yeah and you would be in 2nd place in the AL East and NL east and could beat anyone in the playoffs if your hot... btw the giants and royals last year won the division.

Sammy Sofa · July 31, 2015

There's a huge difference between fighting for a division and fighting for the 2nd wild card. Getting the Wild Card is a one game fluke, getting the division guarantees you 3 games.

tell that to the royals
The Royals ran into a collapsing Oakland team and got a home game in that Wild Card. The Cubs are all but guaranteed to get a good Pittsburgh team in Pittsburgh. If they win that? St. Louis.

So basically you think they should only make a move if they're leading the division and are the clear favorites against anyone they might face. Got it.

ARCubsFan · July 31, 2015

There's a huge difference between fighting for a division and fighting for the 2nd wild card. Getting the Wild Card is a one game fluke, getting the division guarantees you 3 games.

tell that to the royals
The Royals ran into a collapsing Oakland team and got a home game in that Wild Card. The Cubs are all but guaranteed to get a good Pittsburgh team in Pittsburgh. If they win that? St. Louis.

So basically you think they should only make a move if they're leading the division and are the clear favorites against anyone they might face. Got it.

They can make a move, it just dumb to trade more than you think you should just to make a move when the odds of you doing anything this year are slim at best.

July 31, 2015

the odds are always slim and maximizing them with trades makes the most sense at the margins

adding to a sure fire division winner makes the least sense

Sammy Sofa · July 31, 2015

There's a huge difference between fighting for a division and fighting for the 2nd wild card. Getting the Wild Card is a one game fluke, getting the division guarantees you 3 games.

tell that to the royals
The Royals ran into a collapsing Oakland team and got a home game in that Wild Card. The Cubs are all but guaranteed to get a good Pittsburgh team in Pittsburgh. If they win that? St. Louis.

So basically you think they should only make a move if they're leading the division and are the clear favorites against anyone they might face. Got it.
They can make a move, it just dumb to trade more than you think you should just to make a move when the odds of you doing anything this year are slim at best.

Who is saying they should make a move to just make a move? We want them to improve a competitive team to better their chances of making and advancing in the playoffs.

I mean, these are the types of teams who are going to make moves to try and boost the team for a run. Why is a team sitting comfortably at the top of the division going to shell out for upgrades?

Cubswin11 · July 31, 2015

All this talk has me thinking..... they should just banish winning your division as an automatic 3 game series and just re-seed based on record and the 2 worst overall records get the play in game.

July 31, 2015

There's a huge difference between fighting for a division and fighting for the 2nd wild card. Getting the Wild Card is a one game fluke, getting the division guarantees you 3 games.

tell that to the royals and giants

Tell that to the Mariners.

Both teams are fighting to get into the playoffs. It's absurd how much you keep talking like it's getting in via winning the division or bust.

I hate defending the guy but he's right (on this one thing). The Astros aren't exactly fighting to get into the playoffs. They're 2 up in the division and 5 up on the second wild card. Fangraphs has them at a 93.6% shot of making the playoffs and the Cubs at 50.2. BP is 89.6 for them and 40.2 for the Cubs. They've got to get passed by 3 teams to miss the playoffs (the Angels and two others). They've got a fallback. Because of the Cardinals (and, to a lesser extent, the Pirates), we don't.

sontensei · July 31, 2015

the cubs have been saving up prospects for years and as long as it dont affect the team this year or next year why does it matter?

the cubs basically have the infield locked down for the rest of the decade with the current team. they pay for pitchers and are another ace away from having what may be the best rotation in the majors... a guy like ross already has the 12th best FiP of all pitchers, just a bad WHiP which bosio can prolly fix like he did with arrieta. to give up at this point is stupid... also what message does it send to the fanbase... if it was a solo player gm game you can click a few buttons and jump to next season.. the F/O im sure has the city of chicago and the 1000s of fans that show up at games in blue jerseys in every city they play in mind as well. there has to be something that can be done in the gray area between "prospect hording" and "giving the farm away" in which the cubs can improve.. all the high profile rental pitchers are gone already. trade away! but if baez was gone i'd be sad, rest of the guys so what? they already had another good draft and are expected to be big spenders in IFA anyways..

Sammy Sofa · July 31, 2015

I hate defending the guy but he's right (on this one thing). The Astros aren't exactly fighting to get into the playoffs. They're 2 up in the division and 5 up on the second wild card. Fangraphs has them at a 93.6% shot of making the playoffs and the Cubs at 50.2. BP is 89.6 for them and 40.2 for the Cubs. They've got to get passed by 3 teams to miss the playoffs (the Angels and two others). They've got a fallback. Because of the Cardinals (and, to a lesser extent, the Pirates), we don't.

Who was saying that Astros don't have better playoff odds? The point is that the Cubs are still in a good position to make the playoffs and their odds can swing wildly back in their favor in very short order, and it's ridiculous that someone would be OK with them doing nothing to ideally better their chances of making it and advancing basically because better teams exist.

sontensei · July 31, 2015

I hate defending the guy but he's right (on this one thing). The Astros aren't exactly fighting to get into the playoffs. They're 2 up in the division and 5 up on the second wild card. Fangraphs has them at a 93.6% shot of making the playoffs and the Cubs at 50.2. BP is 89.6 for them and 40.2 for the Cubs. They've got to get passed by 3 teams to miss the playoffs (the Angels and two others). They've got a fallback. Because of the Cardinals (and, to a lesser extent, the Pirates), we don't.

Who was saying that Astros don't have better playoff odds? The point is that the Cubs are still in a good position to make the playoffs and their odds can swing wildly back in their favor in very short order, and it's ridiculous that someone would be OK with them doing nothing to ideally better their chances of making it and advancing basically because better teams exist.

Exactly it could be as simple as the cubs getting hot and winning 7-8 straight from now to set the tone..

July 31, 2015

I hate defending the guy but he's right (on this one thing). The Astros aren't exactly fighting to get into the playoffs. They're 2 up in the division and 5 up on the second wild card. Fangraphs has them at a 93.6% shot of making the playoffs and the Cubs at 50.2. BP is 89.6 for them and 40.2 for the Cubs. They've got to get passed by 3 teams to miss the playoffs (the Angels and two others). They've got a fallback. Because of the Cardinals (and, to a lesser extent, the Pirates), we don't.

Who was saying that Astros don't have better playoff odds? The point is that the Cubs are still in a good position to make the playoffs and their odds can swing wildly back in their favor in very short order, and it's ridiculous that someone would be OK with them doing nothing to ideally better their chances of making it and advancing basically because better teams exist.

Well, you basically did when you said that both the Cubs and Astros are fighting to get into the playoffs. In all likelihood, they're getting in. The Cubs are a toss up.

July 31, 2015

Which would be all the more reason for the cubs to have more incentive to go for it than the Astros

hawkeyecub · July 31, 2015

There's a huge difference between fighting for a division and fighting for the 2nd wild card. Getting the Wild Card is a one game fluke, getting the division guarantees you 3 games.

tell that to the royals
The Royals ran into a collapsing Oakland team and got a home game in that Wild Card. The Cubs are all but guaranteed to get a good Pittsburgh team in Pittsburgh. If they win that? St. Louis.

Yeah, totally different from the 88 win Giants winning at Pittsburgh then taking care of the 96 win Nationals in 4 games, then the Cardinals in 5 games.

Sammy Sofa · July 31, 2015

I hate defending the guy but he's right (on this one thing). The Astros aren't exactly fighting to get into the playoffs. They're 2 up in the division and 5 up on the second wild card. Fangraphs has them at a 93.6% shot of making the playoffs and the Cubs at 50.2. BP is 89.6 for them and 40.2 for the Cubs. They've got to get passed by 3 teams to miss the playoffs (the Angels and two others). They've got a fallback. Because of the Cardinals (and, to a lesser extent, the Pirates), we don't.

Who was saying that Astros don't have better playoff odds? The point is that the Cubs are still in a good position to make the playoffs and their odds can swing wildly back in their favor in very short order, and it's ridiculous that someone would be OK with them doing nothing to ideally better their chances of making it and advancing basically because better teams exist.

Well, you basically did when you said that both the Cubs and Astros are fighting to get into the playoffs. In all likelihood, they're getting in. The Cubs are a toss up.

They're still trying to do what they can to ensure they get in and they advance; the Cubs ideally are doing the same, and have even more motivation to do so. I honestly don't get why some people here seem to be saying that teams with the best playoff odds are the ones who should be making the most/biggest/or even any moves as opposed to the ones who need to fight more to get in. That doesn't make any sense.

Smack · July 31, 2015

I've got MLB.tv premium which comes with the audio package as well. Is there a way to listen to audio highlights somewhere that I'm missing? Or the full audio broadcast for that matter? Would like to hear Pat's call of the Rizzo homer. Video highlights and full replays are easy to find.

July 31, 2015

http://m.mlb.com/tv/e14-415171-2015-07-30/v274472383/?&media_type=audio&clickOrigin=Media%20Grid&team=mlb (fast forward to about 2:58:00 for the HR)

I got there by going to mlb.tv then clicking 'watch/listen' and going to yesterday's games on the calendar.

Smack · July 31, 2015

Thanks!

July 31, 2015

There's a huge difference between fighting for a division and fighting for the 2nd wild card. Getting the Wild Card is a one game fluke, getting the division guarantees you 3 games.

tell that to the royals
The Royals ran into a collapsing Oakland team and got a home game in that Wild Card. The Cubs are all but guaranteed to get a good Pittsburgh team in Pittsburgh. If they win that? St. Louis.

Yeah, totally different from the 88 win Giants winning at Pittsburgh then taking care of the 96 win Nationals in 4 games, then the Cardinals in 5 games.

it's funny how he thinks playoff opponents matter enough to make these vastly different circumstances.

July 31, 2015

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