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He's such a flat line player. He and Javy are so fun to watch while having some totally contrasting traits.

 

 

I love him too. Maybe this is a bit nitpicking, but I found myself incredulously agreeing with Hawk on the broadcast today. On Russell's throw in the ninth, it didn't look... normal? Hawk then alluded to he might be having some shoulder discomfort. I hadn't heard anything about that. Btw, I switched over to the Sox broadcast for my own personal enjoyment at all times the cubs did well. He was fawning over how good Baez, Russell, etc are. Pretty shocking.

yeah, I had the same comments with Wednesday's broadcast. I found it somewhat strange to hear both Hawk and Stone be so complimentary of the team and so many of the individual players. they even made it a point to talk about how Heyward was way too good of a hitter to stay down and stuff like that.

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I thought Hawk just basically said the only knock against Russell is that he seemed to not have as strong an arm as you usually want from a SS; I must have missed him specifically talking about how he might have any discomfort when throwing.
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He's such a flat line player. He and Javy are so fun to watch while having some totally contrasting traits.

 

 

I love him too. Maybe this is a bit nitpicking, but I found myself incredulously agreeing with Hawk on the broadcast today. On Russell's throw in the ninth, it didn't look... normal? Hawk then alluded to he might be having some shoulder discomfort. I hadn't heard anything about that. Btw, I switched over to the Sox broadcast for my own personal enjoyment at all times the cubs did well. He was fawning over how good Baez, Russell, etc are. Pretty shocking.

yeah, I had the same comments with Wednesday's broadcast. I found it somewhat strange to hear both Hawk and Stone be so complimentary of the team and so many of the individual players. they even made it a point to talk about how Heyward was way too good of a hitter to stay down and stuff like that.

 

staying out of comiskey has done wonders for Hawk's well being, and spending less time with Hawk probably helped stone

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I thought Hawk just basically said the only knock against Russell is that he seemed to not have as strong an arm as you usually want from a SS; I must have missed him specifically talking about how he might have any discomfort when throwing.

 

I wonder if it's more or less the same thing. Not discomfort, but just looked odd because he had to put a little more effort into the throw than most shortstops with a stronger arm. I've noticed it every now and then too, but he's so smooth with the glove that it's not even worth complaining about.

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I thought Hawk just basically said the only knock against Russell is that he seemed to not have as strong an arm as you usually want from a SS; I must have missed him specifically talking about how he might have any discomfort when throwing.

 

I wonder if it's more or less the same thing. Not discomfort, but just looked odd because he had to put a little more effort into the throw than most shortstops with a stronger arm. I've noticed it every now and then too, but he's so smooth with the glove that it's not even worth complaining about.

 

Yeah, it's not like it's some big secret; I've seen it brought up plenty of times that he technically doesn't have as strong an arm as you want or hope from a SS, but it's not like it's got a noodle out there or anything.

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Just a reminder: Our 22-year-old shortstop is going to hit over 20 home runs, while ranking in the top 3 among shortstops in BB% and DRS.

 

Yeah, if I told this board that Russell would be a 20 HR, 80 RBI guy while hitting 9th half the year, with gold glove defense, everyone would have thought those were extreme ceiling numbers.

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Just a reminder: Our 22-year-old shortstop is going to hit over 20 home runs, while ranking in the top 3 among shortstops in BB% and DRS.

 

Yeah, if I told this board that Russell would be a 20 HR, 80 RBI guy while hitting 9th half the year, with gold glove defense, everyone would have thought those were extreme ceiling numbers.

 

Addison Russell has hit 9th exactly once this year

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Just a reminder: Our 22-year-old shortstop is going to hit over 20 home runs, while ranking in the top 3 among shortstops in BB% and DRS.

 

Yeah, if I told this board that Russell would be a 20 HR, 80 RBI guy while hitting 9th half the year, with gold glove defense, everyone would have thought those were extreme ceiling numbers.

 

I don't remember Russell hitting 9th at all this year.

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Just a reminder: Our 22-year-old shortstop is going to hit over 20 home runs, while ranking in the top 3 among shortstops in BB% and DRS.

 

Yeah, if I told this board that Russell would be a 20 HR, 80 RBI guy while hitting 9th half the year, with gold glove defense, everyone would have thought those were extreme ceiling numbers.

 

Addison Russell has hit 9th exactly once this year

 

dammit. Bottom 3rd then. Pretty much cemented at 7th or 8th until fairly recently.

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Just a reminder: Our 22-year-old shortstop is going to hit over 20 home runs, while ranking in the top 3 among shortstops in BB% and DRS.

 

Yeah, if I told this board that Russell would be a 20 HR, 80 RBI guy while hitting 9th half the year, with gold glove defense, everyone would have thought those were extreme ceiling numbers.

 

I don't remember Russell hitting 9th at all this year.

 

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Just a reminder: Our 22-year-old shortstop is going to hit over 20 home runs, while ranking in the top 3 among shortstops in BB% and DRS.

 

Yeah, if I told this board that Russell would be a 20 HR, 80 RBI guy while hitting 9th half the year, with gold glove defense, everyone would have thought those were extreme ceiling numbers.

 

Addison Russell has hit 9th exactly once this year

 

lmao

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Here, let me express my pleasure in the most terrifying way possible:

 

http://i.giphy.com/9KQ2T38nNpz2g.gif

 

http://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/2016/08/21/122437/85111713/85105151.gif

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I think UZR is severely underrating Russell this year. I'm fine with there being discrepancies between UZR and DRS, but I think I like DRS more -- a lot more actually. For one, UZR doesn't measure pitcher defense or catcher defense, and DRS does. What the hell is that nonsense? How can you be the preeminent defensive stat if you can't measure 2 of the 9 positions? And, generally when things are wonky with a random player's DRS and UZR discrepancy, I fell like I side with DRS at least 75% of the time.

 

One particular thing that is really bugging me this year is that Corey Seager has an 11.6 UZR compared to Russell's 7.1. I mean, this is really pissing me off. So much. It keeps me up as I lay down to sleep every night. Corey Seager is not better defensively than Russell. Period. I will fight you if you say otherwise. I've seen them both play, and it's not close. DRS is correct: Russell with 14 runs saved and Seager with 1. Let's leave it at that... unless you want to fight me.

 

If you think I am being a homer, I can assure you that I am not. There are some other decent defensive stats that don't measure things in terms of runs, like RZR. RZR is an older stat that fell by the wayside when DRS and UZR came about. It stands for Revised Zone Rating. It shows simply how often a player converted balls in his "zone" into outs. Russell's second among shortstops in it. Seager is middle of the pack. RZR isn't great or anything, but, generally, it lines up pretty well with DRS and UZR. The top guys are at the top.

 

Insider Edge is another good thing to look at to measure defense. It splits batted balls up into categories, based on the likelihood that a normal defender will make the play. Russell blows Seager away in every single category. It's not even close. Seager looks really pedestrian according to Insider Edge.

 

Anyway, it pisses me off that UZR took a horsefeathers on Addison this year, because Fangraphs uses UZR to calculate WAR. And I am pretty much Fangraphs-exclusive these days. I don't horsefeathers with Baseball Reference much anymore. So UZR being shitty makes Corey Seager look like he is in Kris Bryant's realm, when he's not. And, also, it is keeping Addi away from his rightful place up by Lindor, Correa, Bogaerts, et al. as a truly elite shortstop.

 

UZR also is screwing with Baez and Rizzo. Javy loses 7 runs going from DRS to UZR, and Rizzo loses 5. And, well, that pisses me off too. I'm to the point where I am going to revolt against Fangraphs' WAR this year by substituting DRS in instead of UZR in their formula. It's really simple, just take the difference in runs between the two and divide by this year's "runs per WAR," which is at 9.69, and tack that on. So, Addi's actually at 4.1 WAR after tonight. Don't piss me off by saying he's at 3.4 or I will fight you.

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Nah, you're just a smelly homer. Lez fite.

 

 

For real though, Addy has been absurdly good. I don't give a hoot if fangraphs rates him lower, I'll just keep on being thrilled with the contributions I can see him giving to the team every day.

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Here, let me express my pleasure in the most terrifying way possible:

 

http://i.giphy.com/9KQ2T38nNpz2g.gif

 

http://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/2016/08/21/122437/85111713/85105151.gif

 

So Joe West is a Russell fan.

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To continue my rant (and this is a rant I've already went on in some other thread earlier this year)...

 

This has to do with what types of ground balls are advantageous for infielders looking to boost their advanced defensive stats. If you read my article looking into Addi's defense through the prism of Statcast, you know what I'm talking about. I talked about these types of batted balls in my last article about Cy Hendricks, too. Most ground balls are kinda fluky plays for the defense. A lot depends on defensive alignment and the hitter's speed, etc. There are but a few types of ground balls that carry a positive run value. These are balls hit really hard and on a low line. A ball hit really hard and nearly parallel to the ground is extremely difficult to stop.

 

Anyway, I showed in my article about Addi that he is amazing at stopping these balls. Nearly all of these plays are going to be highlight reel plays. Highlight reel plays are very good for your advanced defensive stats. You got rewarded more for making tougher plays, because those are plays that most of the time don't get made. You don't get docked very much for not making them, though, because you shouldn't be expected to make those plays.

 

So let's go back to those plays I showed in that article and look at updated rankings. We'll mess around with the parameters a little, to include as much data as possible.

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/statcast_search?hfPT=&hfZ=&hfGT=R%7C&hfPR=&hfAB=&stadium=&hfBBT=&hfBBL=&hfC=&season=2016&player_type=pitcher&hfOuts=&pitcher_throws=&batter_stands=&start_speed_gt=&start_speed_lt=&perceived_speed_gt=&perceived_speed_lt=&spin_rate_gt=&spin_rate_lt=&exit_velocity_gt=100&exit_velocity_lt=&launch_angle_gt=0&launch_angle_lt=9&distance_gt=70&distance_lt=&batted_ball_angle_gt=-25&batted_ball_angle_lt=0&game_date_gt=&game_date_lt=&team=&position=&hfRO=&home_road=&hfInn=&min_pitches=0&min_results=0&group_by=team&sort_col=babip&sort_order=asc&min_abs=0&xba_gt=&xba_lt=&px1=&px2=&pz1=&pz2=#results

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/statcast_search?hfPT=&hfZ=&hfGT=R%7C&hfPR=&hfAB=&stadium=&hfBBT=&hfBBL=&hfC=&season=2016&player_type=pitcher&hfOuts=&pitcher_throws=&batter_stands=&start_speed_gt=&start_speed_lt=&perceived_speed_gt=&perceived_speed_lt=&spin_rate_gt=&spin_rate_lt=&exit_velocity_gt=100&exit_velocity_lt=&launch_angle_gt=0&launch_angle_lt=9&distance_gt=70&distance_lt=&batted_ball_angle_gt=-23&batted_ball_angle_lt=-2&game_date_gt=&game_date_lt=&team=&position=&hfRO=&home_road=&hfInn=&min_pitches=0&min_results=0&group_by=team&sort_col=babip&sort_order=asc&min_abs=0&xba_gt=&xba_lt=&px1=&px2=&pz1=&pz2=#results

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/statcast_search?hfPT=&hfZ=&hfGT=R%7C&hfPR=&hfAB=&stadium=&hfBBT=&hfBBL=&hfC=&season=2016&player_type=pitcher&hfOuts=&pitcher_throws=&batter_stands=&start_speed_gt=&start_speed_lt=&perceived_speed_gt=&perceived_speed_lt=&spin_rate_gt=&spin_rate_lt=&exit_velocity_gt=90&exit_velocity_lt=&launch_angle_gt=0&launch_angle_lt=9&distance_gt=70&distance_lt=&batted_ball_angle_gt=-25&batted_ball_angle_lt=0&game_date_gt=&game_date_lt=&team=&position=&hfRO=&home_road=&hfInn=&min_pitches=0&min_results=0&group_by=team&sort_col=babip&player_event_sort=start_speed&sort_order=asc&min_abs=0&xba_gt=&xba_lt=&px1=&px2=&pz1=&pz2=&ss_gt=&ss_lt=#results

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/statcast_search?hfPT=&hfZ=&hfGT=R%7C&hfPR=&hfAB=&stadium=&hfBBT=&hfBBL=&hfC=&season=2016&player_type=pitcher&hfOuts=&pitcher_throws=&batter_stands=&start_speed_gt=&start_speed_lt=&perceived_speed_gt=&perceived_speed_lt=&spin_rate_gt=&spin_rate_lt=&exit_velocity_gt=100&exit_velocity_lt=&launch_angle_gt=-10&launch_angle_lt=9&distance_gt=70&distance_lt=&batted_ball_angle_gt=-25&batted_ball_angle_lt=0&game_date_gt=&game_date_lt=&team=&position=&hfRO=&home_road=&hfInn=&min_pitches=0&min_results=0&group_by=team&sort_col=babip&player_event_sort=start_speed&sort_order=asc&min_abs=0&xba_gt=&xba_lt=&px1=&px2=&pz1=&pz2=&ss_gt=&ss_lt=#results

 

It doesn't matter too much. He's still the clear best at stopping these balls. We can widen our net a little to make it a little easier for the mere mortals to make plays on some balls that are just a little easier, and they still can't compete. But let's go back to the one showing all balls hit at least 100 mph and between 0 and 9° vertical launch angle and -2 and 23° horizontal launch angle.

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/statcast_search?hfPT=&hfZ=&hfGT=R%7C&hfPR=&hfAB=&stadium=&hfBBT=&hfBBL=&hfC=&season=2016&player_type=pitcher&hfOuts=&pitcher_throws=&batter_stands=&start_speed_gt=&start_speed_lt=&perceived_speed_gt=&perceived_speed_lt=&spin_rate_gt=&spin_rate_lt=&exit_velocity_gt=100&exit_velocity_lt=&launch_angle_gt=0&launch_angle_lt=9&distance_gt=70&distance_lt=&batted_ball_angle_gt=-23&batted_ball_angle_lt=-2&game_date_gt=&game_date_lt=&team=&position=&hfRO=&home_road=&hfInn=&min_pitches=0&min_results=0&group_by=team&sort_col=babip&player_event_sort=start_speed&sort_order=asc&min_abs=0&xba_gt=&xba_lt=&px1=&px2=&pz1=&pz2=&ss_gt=&ss_lt=#results

Addi's had the fewest chances at these balls of anyone. So while he and Brandon Crawford both get credit for stopping 17 of these balls, Brandon Crawford doesn't get it held against him too much that he let 8 more of them go by, since you wouldn't expect him to make those plays. You can look through all of these links and Addi's had the fewest chances in nearly all of them.

 

Addi's getting screwed by his pitchers giving up so much weak contact. It doesn't matter too much, but it's happening. There are other plays that also rack up decent chunks of value -- the slower balls where you have to range way over to get. Those are the "Addi Slide" plays. And they will help him out. I am nitpicking. I can't search for those plays with what is available to the public. But, he's had plenty of chances to look good defensively. And he turns those chances into outs better than anyone.

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/statcast_search?hfPT=&hfZ=&hfGT=R%7C&hfPR=&hfAB=&stadium=&hfBBT=4%7C&hfBBL=&hfC=&season=2016&player_type=pitcher&hfOuts=&pitcher_throws=&batter_stands=&start_speed_gt=&start_speed_lt=&perceived_speed_gt=&perceived_speed_lt=&spin_rate_gt=&spin_rate_lt=&exit_velocity_gt=&exit_velocity_lt=&launch_angle_gt=&launch_angle_lt=&distance_gt=70&distance_lt=&batted_ball_angle_gt=-25&batted_ball_angle_lt=0&game_date_gt=&game_date_lt=&team=&position=&hfRO=&home_road=&hfInn=&min_pitches=0&min_results=0&group_by=team&sort_col=babip&sort_order=asc&min_abs=0&xba_gt=&xba_lt=&px1=&px2=&pz1=&pz2=#results

 

I still think he's being underrated, though, thanks to the amount of weak contact coming at him.

 

If you look at Adam Eaton's season, he's been very good defensively. He's made more highlight reel plays than anyone. But, he's not that good. He's very good, but he's been fortunate to have the opportunity to make so many highlight reel plays. He's had more balls hit into what you could call his "highlight reel zone" than anyone. The more difficult plays that you get a chance at, the better you can make yourself look.

 

Eaton has made those plays and saved those runs, though. If you want to know how many runs he's saved, it's right there for you. And since Addi maybe hasn't had as many chances to save runs, well, he hasn't saved those hypothetical runs. You can't give him credit for saving runs on plays that don't exist. But DRS and UZR both are probably underselling his true talent level.

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I'm to the point where I am going to revolt against Fangraphs' WAR this year by substituting DRS in instead of UZR in their formula. It's really simple, just take the difference in runs between the two and divide by this year's "runs per WAR," which is at 9.69, and tack that on. So, Addi's actually at 4.1 WAR after tonight. Don't piss me off by saying he's at 3.4 or I will fight you.

doing this:

Corey Seager 5.6

Francisco Lindor 4.9

Brandon Crawford 4.5

Addison Russell 4.1

Carlos Correa 4.0

Jonathan Villar 3.9

Trevor Story 3.4

Aledmys Diaz 2.9

Xander Bogaerts 2.7

Zack Cozart 2.7

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