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Re: The Cardinals

Postby javy knows my name » Fri Jan 11, 2019 5:44 pm

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Hairyducked Idiot wrote:Annoying people from Chicago by calling parts of Illinois “basically Chicago” is always good fun, though. Just casually, like telling a story about that time you were in “Chicago, well technically Evanston.”

Then work your way out. By the end of the night you refer to Peoria or Springfield as part of Chicagoland and appreciate their eye twitching.

Oh man, the level to which people in Chicago proper get pissed at people who refer to very nearby suburbs as Chicago cracks me up too. Unless you live in the densest parts of downtown, living in the vast majority of Chicago is no different than living in the nearest suburb. It's all spread out houses, car culture galore, it's the same damn thing with no boundary.


Oh man, that is dumb. I hear Chelsea is just like White Plains except on the island. Like one of my friends in the neighborhood has a car and no one lives in a house
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby jersey cubs fan » Fri Jan 11, 2019 5:50 pm

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Hairyducked Idiot wrote:Annoying people from Chicago by calling parts of Illinois “basically Chicago” is always good fun, though. Just casually, like telling a story about that time you were in “Chicago, well technically Evanston.”

Then work your way out. By the end of the night you refer to Peoria or Springfield as part of Chicagoland and appreciate their eye twitching.

Oh man, the level to which people in Chicago proper get pissed at people who refer to very nearby suburbs as Chicago cracks me up too. Unless you live in the densest parts of downtown, living in the vast majority of Chicago is no different than living in the nearest suburb. It's all spread out houses, car culture galore, it's the same damn thing with no boundary.


Oh man, that is dumb. I hear Chelsea is just like White Plains except on the island. Like one of my friends in the neighborhood has a car and no one lives in a house


But Chelsea is the densest part of downtown and White Plains is quite a few suburbs separated from the city. If you live in like, Riverdale (Bronx) or Yonkers, it's pretty much the same thing. NY has actual physical boundaries that makes for an actual delineation. Outside the densest part of Chicago, there is no delineation. Manhattan is Manhattan. Take any part of the outer boroughs, sans Staten Island, and they butt up against some suburb that is essentially the same as the borough itself.
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby Bull » Fri Jan 11, 2019 6:42 pm

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Re: The Cardinals

Postby Thed Hoyerstein » Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:04 pm

jersey cubs fan wrote:
javy knows my name wrote:
jersey cubs fan wrote:Oh man, the level to which people in Chicago proper get pissed at people who refer to very nearby suburbs as Chicago cracks me up too. Unless you live in the densest parts of downtown, living in the vast majority of Chicago is no different than living in the nearest suburb. It's all spread out houses, car culture galore, it's the same damn thing with no boundary.


Oh man, that is dumb. I hear Chelsea is just like White Plains except on the island. Like one of my friends in the neighborhood has a car and no one lives in a house


But Chelsea is the densest part of downtown and White Plains is quite a few suburbs separated from the city. If you live in like, Riverdale (Bronx) or Yonkers, it's pretty much the same thing. NY has actual physical boundaries that makes for an actual delineation. Outside the densest part of Chicago, there is no delineation. Manhattan is Manhattan. Take any part of the outer boroughs, sans Staten Island, and they butt up against some suburb that is essentially the same as the borough itself.


What vast areas of Chicago proper would you characterize as spread out houses? I'd argue direct north of downtown is hardly like that until you get to Evanston (sans Ravenswood), same largely goes for the west side until Oak Park. The south side certainly would have more spread out houses, think Hyde Park and Brideport, but otherwise I'm having a hard time where you would be thinking....northwest?
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby jersey cubs fan » Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:39 pm

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jersey cubs fan wrote:
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Oh man, that is dumb. I hear Chelsea is just like White Plains except on the island. Like one of my friends in the neighborhood has a car and no one lives in a house


But Chelsea is the densest part of downtown and White Plains is quite a few suburbs separated from the city. If you live in like, Riverdale (Bronx) or Yonkers, it's pretty much the same thing. NY has actual physical boundaries that makes for an actual delineation. Outside the densest part of Chicago, there is no delineation. Manhattan is Manhattan. Take any part of the outer boroughs, sans Staten Island, and they butt up against some suburb that is essentially the same as the borough itself.


What vast areas of Chicago proper would you characterize as spread out houses? I'd argue direct north of downtown is hardly like that until you get to Evanston (sans Ravenswood), same largely goes for the west side until Oak Park. The south side certainly would have more spread out houses, think Hyde Park and Brideport, but otherwise I'm having a hard time where you would be thinking....northwest?

Generally speaking, stuff like the Irving Park and Bucktown areas.
I only lived in the city for a few summers, and was in an apartment, as were most of my friends that stayed there post-college. But when I go back now and see friends/family, almost all of them actually in Chicago live in individual structure homes, separated from the house next door. On the urban - suburban - rural scale, these places are indistinguishable from many technically suburban places I have been.

The suburb I grew up in was very much a suburb and not chicago. I couldn't get away with saying I grew up in Chicago. And on that note, I also no longer say I'm from the Chicago area, as I've officially lived more than half my life in NJ and have succumbed to answering the, "where are you from" question with a simple, "New Jersey".
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby SouthSideRyan » Fri Jan 11, 2019 8:40 pm

jersey cubs fan wrote:
Hairyducked Idiot wrote:Annoying people from Chicago by calling parts of Illinois “basically Chicago” is always good fun, though. Just casually, like telling a story about that time you were in “Chicago, well technically Evanston.”

Then work your way out. By the end of the night you refer to Peoria or Springfield as part of Chicagoland and appreciate their eye twitching.

Oh man, the level to which people in Chicago proper get pissed at people who refer to very nearby suburbs as Chicago cracks me up too. Unless you live in the densest parts of downtown, living in the vast majority of Chicago is no different than living in the nearest suburb. It's all spread out houses, car culture galore, it's the same damn thing with no boundary.


I grew up in a suburb from which Chicago was the first city you hit when walking directly North, West, East, it South, and you could not be more correct
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby Derwood » Fri Jan 11, 2019 8:48 pm

For two years I lived in Oak Park (on Austin Blvd), so I would tell people that I lived across the street from Chicago
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby UMFan83 » Fri Jan 11, 2019 8:53 pm

Derwood wrote:For two years I lived in Oak Park (on Austin Blvd), so I would tell people that I lived across the street from Chicago


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Re: The Cardinals

Postby The_Achiever » Fri Jan 11, 2019 8:56 pm

Derwood wrote:For two years I lived in Oak Park (on Austin Blvd), so I would tell people that I lived across the street from Chicago


Nice, I love Oak Park. I live in Edison Park, Chi and can walk 2 blocks and be in park ridge. Love the collar communities.
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby ConstableRabbit » Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:02 pm

jersey cubs fan wrote:
Thed Hoyerstein wrote:
jersey cubs fan wrote:
But Chelsea is the densest part of downtown and White Plains is quite a few suburbs separated from the city. If you live in like, Riverdale (Bronx) or Yonkers, it's pretty much the same thing. NY has actual physical boundaries that makes for an actual delineation. Outside the densest part of Chicago, there is no delineation. Manhattan is Manhattan. Take any part of the outer boroughs, sans Staten Island, and they butt up against some suburb that is essentially the same as the borough itself.


What vast areas of Chicago proper would you characterize as spread out houses? I'd argue direct north of downtown is hardly like that until you get to Evanston (sans Ravenswood), same largely goes for the west side until Oak Park. The south side certainly would have more spread out houses, think Hyde Park and Brideport, but otherwise I'm having a hard time where you would be thinking....northwest?

Generally speaking, stuff like the Irving Park and Bucktown areas.
I only lived in the city for a few summers, and was in an apartment, as were most of my friends that stayed there post-college. But when I go back now and see friends/family, almost all of them actually in Chicago live in individual structure homes, separated from the house next door. On the urban - suburban - rural scale, these places are indistinguishable from many technically suburban places I have been.

The suburb I grew up in was very much a suburb and not chicago. I couldn't get away with saying I grew up in Chicago. And on that note, I also no longer say I'm from the Chicago area, as I've officially lived more than half my life in NJ and have succumbed to answering the, "where are you from" question with a simple, "New Jersey".

Irving Park and Bucktown are completely different from one another, and Bucktown is not like living in the burbs. Old Irving Park is an example of a neighborhood similar to a border suburb. There’s a lot between the “densist parts of downtown” and Sauganash.
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby jersey cubs fan » Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:13 pm

ConstableRabbit wrote:Irving Park and Bucktown are completely different from one another, and Bucktown is not like living in the burbs. Old Irving Park is an example of a neighborhood similar to a border suburb. There’s a lot between the “densist parts of downtown” and Sauganash.

you sound like somebody that gets really pissy when chicago is misidentified
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby Hairyducked Idiot » Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:28 pm

One time I got on the wrong direction freeway trying to get out of Aurora. Chicago traffic was terrifying
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby JudasIscariotTheBird » Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:44 pm

I haven't been to Chicago very often, but one of the few times I went a guy on a very crowded bus threatened to stab me if I didn't stop standing behind him. I've lived in and been to a lot of shaddy cities, but a stab threat was a first for me. Respect Chicago!
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby ConstableRabbit » Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:45 pm

jersey cubs fan wrote:
ConstableRabbit wrote:Irving Park and Bucktown are completely different from one another, and Bucktown is not like living in the burbs. Old Irving Park is an example of a neighborhood similar to a border suburb. There’s a lot between the “densist parts of downtown” and Sauganash.

you sound like somebody that gets really pissy when chicago is misidentified

Please, tell us more about the homogeneity of Chicago’s non-downtown neighborhoods and border suburban communities, guy who lived here for two summers 15 years ago.
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby SouthSideRyan » Fri Jan 11, 2019 9:58 pm

JudasIscariotTheBird wrote:I haven't been to Chicago very often, but one of the few times I went a guy on a very crowded bus threatened to stab me if I didn't stop standing behind him. I've lived in and been to a lot of shaddy cities, but a stab threat was a first for me. Respect Chicago!


Did you stop?
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Re: The Cardinals

Postby JudasIscariotTheBird » Fri Jan 11, 2019 10:01 pm

SouthSideRyan wrote:
JudasIscariotTheBird wrote:I haven't been to Chicago very often, but one of the few times I went a guy on a very crowded bus threatened to stab me if I didn't stop standing behind him. I've lived in and been to a lot of shaddy cities, but a stab threat was a first for me. Respect Chicago!


Did you stop?

I gave him a look like "What do you want me to do?" and took half a step into the other guy standing next to me, and I guess that was enough to satisfy his bloodlust.
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