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Re: Addison Russell

Postby Regular Show » Tue Dec 03, 2019 11:42 pm

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Little Slide Rooter wrote:I’m sure he’ll land on his feet someplace where character (or lack there of) isn’t an issue. Are the Astros in the market for a middle infielder?


Yeah but unfortunately for Addison, the Astros only want bad character guys who are actually good at baseball.


I could see the Royals signing Addison Russell. Their starting SS (Adalberto Mondesi) had shoulder surgery and might not be ready by the start of next season. They love to sign/trade for former Cubs players and their GM has some questionable views on character/makeup/managerial hires. Dayton Moore really wanted to draft Luke Heimlich when no team wanted anything to do with him.

I could totally see Addison going there and baby mama #4 happening at some point...
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Re: Addison Russell

Postby The Logan » Wed Dec 04, 2019 1:29 am

BigSlick wrote:I’m so glad the Cubs management decided to give this piece of garbage an extra year of to suck and malign the fan base.

2019 was so much like 2009-2010 it’s crazy


Seeing him get non-tendered has genuinely lifted some sort of weight off my Cubs fan shoulders. Like we made it through some sort of natural disaster and even though we didn't come out unscathed, the fact that the disaster is over feels like a new day.
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Re: Addison Russell

Postby Regular Show » Wed Dec 04, 2019 5:52 am



Yup. They got damn lucky he didn't take that contract extension. Some posters here probably even wanted to sign him to an extension a few years back...

For those people (who wanted to sign Addy to an extension):
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Re: Addison Russell

Postby sneakypower » Wed Dec 04, 2019 2:47 pm

team-friendly extensions for productive young players are almost always a no-brainer

i mean fans didn't know he was a wife-beater and his shoulder would fall apart
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Re: Addison Russell

Postby Hairyducked Idiot » Thu Dec 05, 2019 1:29 am

sneakypower wrote:team-friendly extensions for productive young players are almost always a no-brainer

i mean fans didn't know he was a wife-beater and his shoulder would fall apart


Nah, they're incredibly overrated.

On average, fans especially but even teams fall victim to optimism bias when projecting out young players. Athletes fall apart at a way higher rate than we are comfortable baking into our projections. Having them under non-guaranteed team control >>>> owing them guaranteed deals.
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Re: Addison Russell

Postby Cubswin11 » Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:06 am

Hairyducked Idiot wrote:
sneakypower wrote:team-friendly extensions for productive young players are almost always a no-brainer

i mean fans didn't know he was a wife-beater and his shoulder would fall apart


Nah, they're incredibly overrated.

On average, fans especially but even teams fall victim to optimism bias when projecting out young players. Athletes fall apart at a way higher rate than we are comfortable baking into our projections. Having them under non-guaranteed team control >>>> owing them guaranteed deals.

When have they really blown up on teams outside of like the Votto/Giancarlo massive ones? The ones more in the Rizzo, Yelich, Suarez, Quintana, Trout’s first one range and Bogaerts, Albies and Acuna ones just started all seem to have worked out/are working out. I’m trying to think of other ones and really can’t. And a lot of those you aren’t talking that much guaranteed money at risk of blowing up.
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Postby ConstableRabbit » Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:14 am

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Hairyducked Idiot wrote:
sneakypower wrote:team-friendly extensions for productive young players are almost always a no-brainer

i mean fans didn't know he was a wife-beater and his shoulder would fall apart


Nah, they're incredibly overrated.

On average, fans especially but even teams fall victim to optimism bias when projecting out young players. Athletes fall apart at a way higher rate than we are comfortable baking into our projections. Having them under non-guaranteed team control >>>> owing them guaranteed deals.

When have they really blown up on teams outside of like the Votto/Giancarlo massive ones? The ones more in the Rizzo, Yelich, Suarez, Quintana, Trout’s first one, and Bogaerts, Albies and Acuna are well on their way all seem to have worked out I’m trying to think of other ones an really can’t. And a lot of those you aren’t talking that much guaranteed money at risk of blowing up.

Starlin Castro?
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Postby Bryant's Disco Ball » Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:18 am

Jon Singleton.

ETA: Of course, that was only five years and $10 million so whatever.
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Re: Addison Russell

Postby Cubswin11 » Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:27 am

ConstableRabbit wrote:
Cubswin11 wrote:
Hairyducked Idiot wrote:
Nah, they're incredibly overrated.

On average, fans especially but even teams fall victim to optimism bias when projecting out young players. Athletes fall apart at a way higher rate than we are comfortable baking into our projections. Having them under non-guaranteed team control >>>> owing them guaranteed deals.

When have they really blown up on teams outside of like the Votto/Giancarlo massive ones? The ones more in the Rizzo, Yelich, Suarez, Quintana, Trout’s first one, and Bogaerts, Albies and Acuna are well on their way all seem to have worked out I’m trying to think of other ones an really can’t. And a lot of those you aren’t talking that much guaranteed money at risk of blowing up.

Starlin Castro?

He signed a 7/60 extension in 2012. 2013-2019 he was worth 10.9 WAR, not great but only cost $8.5 per year and he also had a 3.2, 2.3 and 1.9 win years. So you got a few decent years.
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Re: Addison Russell

Postby ConstableRabbit » Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:31 am

Cubswin11 wrote:
ConstableRabbit wrote:
Cubswin11 wrote:When have they really blown up on teams outside of like the Votto/Giancarlo massive ones? The ones more in the Rizzo, Yelich, Suarez, Quintana, Trout’s first one, and Bogaerts, Albies and Acuna are well on their way all seem to have worked out I’m trying to think of other ones an really can’t. And a lot of those you aren’t talking that much guaranteed money at risk of blowing up.

Starlin Castro?

He signed a 7/60 extension in 2012. 2013-2019 he was worth 10.9 WAR, not great but only cost $8.5 per year and he also had a 3.2, 2.3 and 1.9 win years. So you got a few decent years.

I know — not a disaster but you could have paid him a lot less. For the record I’m not opposed to extensions.
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Re: Addison Russell

Postby Bertz » Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:35 am

Hairyducked Idiot wrote:
sneakypower wrote:team-friendly extensions for productive young players are almost always a no-brainer

i mean fans didn't know he was a wife-beater and his shoulder would fall apart


Nah, they're incredibly overrated.

On average, fans especially but even teams fall victim to optimism bias when projecting out young players. Athletes fall apart at a way higher rate than we are comfortable baking into our projections. Having them under non-guaranteed team control >>>> owing them guaranteed deals.


It depends on your grading criteria. If you're talking about how many of these deals work out for teams versus how many work out for players, I believe it's pretty close to 50/50. If you're looking at raw dollars though, teams come out WAY ahead. One Chris Sale or Evan Longoria deal is probably equivalent to four or five deals going the other way.

That being said the crazy deals with like three club options seem to be going extinct, so there's a good chance you are right looking forward.
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Re: Addison Russell

Postby CubinNY » Thu Dec 05, 2019 2:56 am

Bertz wrote:
Hairyducked Idiot wrote:
sneakypower wrote:team-friendly extensions for productive young players are almost always a no-brainer

i mean fans didn't know he was a wife-beater and his shoulder would fall apart


Nah, they're incredibly overrated.

On average, fans especially but even teams fall victim to optimism bias when projecting out young players. Athletes fall apart at a way higher rate than we are comfortable baking into our projections. Having them under non-guaranteed team control >>>> owing them guaranteed deals.


It depends on your grading criteria. If you're talking about how many of these deals work out for teams versus how many work out for players, I believe it's pretty close to 50/50. If you're looking at raw dollars though, teams come out WAY ahead. One Chris Sale or Evan Longoria deal is probably equivalent to four or five deals going the other way.

The venture capitalist approach.
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Re: Addison Russell

Postby biittner77 » Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:37 pm

Regular Show wrote:

That's pretty good lol.

I don't know why Theo felt the need to make such a lengthy statement over non-tendering Addison Russell...


So he can make enough money to pay child support?
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Re: Addison Russell

Postby CubinNY » Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:55 pm

I'm betting Addison finds himself playing baseball in Japan for a few years, at least.
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