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Postby Cubswin11 » Fri Oct 12, 2018 7:11 pm

ScrubMD wrote:Maybe the Yankees think they could fix Chatwood and would be interested in a sucky pitcher swap if we chucked a fistful of hundos at them.

Fangraphs wrote about that around the deadline

https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/why-the ... onny-gray/
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Postby NonProfitCow » Fri Oct 12, 2018 7:11 pm

ScrubMD wrote:Maybe the Yankees think they could fix Chatwood and would be interested in a sucky pitcher swap if we chucked a fistful of hundos at them.

Outside of Yankee Stadium he was pretty much the pitcher he's always been.
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Postby SRQCub » Sun Oct 14, 2018 2:42 am

With Gregorius needing TJS, wonder if Russell for Gray straight up is worth it?
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Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Sun Oct 14, 2018 4:52 am

SRQCub wrote:With Gregorius needing TJS, wonder if Russell for Gray straight up is worth it?


That won’t make sense financially if the Cubs are trying to avoid the higher end of the CBT.
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Postby d_money » Sun Oct 14, 2018 3:11 pm

Braves and Padres...possible Rule 5 targets.
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d_money wrote:Braves and Padres...possible Rule 5 targets.


its actually rule V
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d_money wrote:Braves and Padres...possible Rule 5 targets.


its actually rule V


It's actually Rule Image.
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Re: Realistic Trade Targets

Postby TomtheBombadil » Sun Oct 14, 2018 6:12 pm

Anyone else interested in Nick Castellanos? I consider Harper a must but still want to add a good RH bat.

Castellanos plus one or two of their arms (Jimenez, Norris, Greene, Mize, Burrows, Manning) seems like it could end well for the Cubs
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Postby Cubswin11 » Sun Oct 14, 2018 6:16 pm

TomtheBombadil wrote:Anyone else interested in Nick Castellanos? I consider Harper a must but still want to add a good RH bat.

Castellanos plus one of their arms seems like it could end well for the Cubs

Where would he play? He’s atrocious on defense. I suppose we could trade for him and dump him in the middle of Lake Michigan for knocking Braun’s ball over the wall.
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Postby TomtheBombadil » Sun Oct 14, 2018 6:19 pm

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TomtheBombadil wrote:Anyone else interested in Nick Castellanos? I consider Harper a must but still want to add a good RH bat.

Castellanos plus one of their arms seems like it could end well for the Cubs

Where would he play? He’s atrocious on defense. I suppose we could trade for him and dump him in the middle of Lake Michigan for knocking Braun’s ball over the wall.


Harper - Heyward/Someone - Castellanos
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Postby TomtheBombadil » Sun Oct 14, 2018 6:24 pm

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Cubswin11 wrote:
TomtheBombadil wrote:Anyone else interested in Nick Castellanos? I consider Harper a must but still want to add a good RH bat.

Castellanos plus one of their arms seems like it could end well for the Cubs

Where would he play? He’s atrocious on defense. I suppose we could trade for him and dump him in the middle of Lake Michigan for knocking Braun’s ball over the wall.


Harper - Heyward/Someone - Castellanos


Should add that Castellanos is mostly about adding a RH bat coming off a ~.350 wOBA over the past three years in his 20’s for pretty cheap. Getting him out of the infield full time may help mitigate some of the damage on defense

Frees up Schwarber for a cheap SP, Almora/Happ for a cost controlled reliever, etc
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Postby TomtheBombadil » Sun Oct 14, 2018 6:34 pm

Without doing any actual looking into this:

It seems to me if there were a guy who could be a late bloomer in the mold of Nelson Cruz or even JD Martinez it would be Castellanos. Former elite HS bat prospect as a SS, premium size for any position at 6’4”, moved around alot on defense as a young player to get his bat in the lineup, not not athletic so much as he’s definitely not a ML 3B, proven to be a quality hitter in the MLs, hitting for more power in recent years, age 27 next year, just moved to the OF full time at 26...
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Postby Backtobanks » Sun Oct 14, 2018 6:36 pm

TomtheBombadil wrote:Anyone else interested in Nick Castellanos? I consider Harper a must but still want to add a good RH bat.

Castellanos plus one or two of their arms (Jimenez, Norris, Greene, Mize, Burrows, Manning) seems like it could end well for the Cubs



I'd rather do Peralta and Bradley in the diamonback fire sale.
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Postby TomtheBombadil » Sun Oct 14, 2018 6:39 pm

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TomtheBombadil wrote:Anyone else interested in Nick Castellanos? I consider Harper a must but still want to add a good RH bat.

Castellanos plus one or two of their arms (Jimenez, Norris, Greene, Mize, Burrows, Manning) seems like it could end well for the Cubs



I'd rather do Peralta and Bradley in the diamonback fire sale.


Peralta works plenty if they land Machado for SS. I’m assuming Harper for stuff and things
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Postby TomtheBombadil » Sun Oct 14, 2018 7:30 pm

So my favorite potential trade targets* are probably something like:

Stroman
J. Gray
A. Simmons (would easily be #1 if he weren’t the longshot among longshots on this list)
Castellanos
Realmuto

*Assuming Harper, not including bit or relief players
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Postby Cubswin11 » Sun Oct 14, 2018 8:02 pm

TomtheBombadil wrote:
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Cubswin11 wrote:Where would he play? He’s atrocious on defense. I suppose we could trade for him and dump him in the middle of Lake Michigan for knocking Braun’s ball over the wall.


Harper - Heyward/Someone - Castellanos


Should add that Castellanos is mostly about adding a RH bat coming off a ~.350 wOBA over the past three years in his 20’s for pretty cheap. Getting him out of the infield full time may help mitigate some of the damage on defense

Frees up Schwarber for a cheap SP, Almora/Happ for a cost controlled reliever, etc

I'm assuming Schwarber or Happ would be needed to trade for Castellanos? I'm not overly against the idea. Schwarber for him makes some sense for both teams.
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Postby TomtheBombadil » Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:56 pm

Cubswin11 wrote:
TomtheBombadil wrote:
TomtheBombadil wrote:
Harper - Heyward/Someone - Castellanos


Should add that Castellanos is mostly about adding a RH bat coming off a ~.350 wOBA over the past three years in his 20’s for pretty cheap. Getting him out of the infield full time may help mitigate some of the damage on defense

Frees up Schwarber for a cheap SP, Almora/Happ for a cost controlled reliever, etc

I'm assuming Schwarber or Happ would be needed to trade for Castellanos? I'm not overly against the idea. Schwarber for him makes some sense for both teams.


I’d do* Schwarber for Castellanos and Mize or Manning, not sure about the rest

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TomtheBombadil wrote:
Cubswin11 wrote:
TomtheBombadil wrote:
Should add that Castellanos is mostly about adding a RH bat coming off a ~.350 wOBA over the past three years in his 20’s for pretty cheap. Getting him out of the infield full time may help mitigate some of the damage on defense

Frees up Schwarber for a cheap SP, Almora/Happ for a cost controlled reliever, etc

I'm assuming Schwarber or Happ would be needed to trade for Castellanos? I'm not overly against the idea. Schwarber for him makes some sense for both teams.


I’d do* Schwarber for Castellanos and Mize or Manning, not sure about the rest

Note: Probably


in what horsefeathering universe are the detroit tigers trading their 1/1 pick from last year for kyle schwarber
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TomtheBombadil wrote:
Cubswin11 wrote:I'm assuming Schwarber or Happ would be needed to trade for Castellanos? I'm not overly against the idea. Schwarber for him makes some sense for both teams.


I’d do* Schwarber for Castellanos and Mize or Manning, not sure about the rest

Note: Probably


in what horsefeathering universe are the detroit tigers trading their 1/1 pick from last year for kyle schwarber


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Postby davell » Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:05 am

Castellanos makes some sense for us. But, he's a pure rental. And as a horrible defender too, I seriously doubt he's costing very much in trade...... Corner guys don't bring that much of a return, in general.

He certainly wouldn't cost Schwarber or Happ.

The problem though, in figuring out potential landing spots for a Schwarber, is aligning his clock, with the acquiring teams clock. Kyle only has 3 years of control himself. So, a team like Detroit probably has little to no interest in him honestly, because their window isn't current or maybe not even for another couple of years......

I think that IF Schwarber gets dealt, it's to Tampa, Oakland, Seattle, Minnesota, Angels, or Texas...... 1) I think they'd trade him to an AL team to maximize value and 2) To a team that figures to think of themselves as competitive now and that may not want or have the funds to spend huge currently.
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Postby TomtheBombadil » Mon Oct 15, 2018 12:52 am

davell wrote:Castellanos makes some sense for us. But, he's a pure rental. And as a horrible defender too, I seriously doubt he's costing very much in trade...... Corner guys don't bring that much of a return, in general.

He certainly wouldn't cost Schwarber or Happ.

The problem though, in figuring out potential landing spots for a Schwarber, is aligning his clock, with the acquiring teams clock. Kyle only has 3 years of control himself. So, a team like Detroit probably has little to no interest in him honestly, because their window isn't current or maybe not even for another couple of years......

I think that IF Schwarber gets dealt, it's to Tampa, Oakland, Seattle, Minnesota, Angels, or Texas...... 1) I think they'd trade him to an AL team to maximize value and 2) To a team that figures to think of themselves as competitive now and that may not want or have the funds to spend huge currently.


Castellanos should be a reasonable resign, if he mashes, due to his defensive value heading into next year.

Agreed on not needing Schwarber/Happ to land Castellanos but also looking for cheap power pitching

Schwarber, like Castellanos except LH with the struggles that naturally come with that, as a bat first corner OF tops should be a relatively reasonable extension candidate. A team trading for him is probably hoping to max his offense and health by reducing defensive responsibilities, some pretty much any AL team would have some interest. I like the match with the Jays, who would probably love to slot him between Bichette and Vlad Jrs in a near future lineup
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Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Mon Oct 15, 2018 2:10 am

Castellanos isn’t a free agent till after 2020 unless I’m misreading Cots.

Getting a RH power hitter to offset an all lefty outfield (assuming the Cubs sign Harper) is a great idea, but it would be easier to fill the gaping hole in the middle infield.
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Postby davell » Mon Oct 15, 2018 2:18 am

CaliforniaRaisin wrote:Castellanos isn’t a free agent till after 2020 unless I’m misreading Cots.

Getting a RH power hitter to offset an all lefty outfield (assuming the Cubs sign Harper) is a great idea, but it would be easier to fill the gaping hole in the middle infield.


Hmm, I'm still seeing his last Arb year as 2019.

At any rate, I figure he's a guy that gets 15-20 mill per on the open market. Assuming we do go over the upper end to get one of Bryce or Manny, I honestly don't see us filling in with even more relatively expensive guys. If Schwarber is gone, I'd figure Happ or some other guy we acquire, at well under that type of salary, since up being our answer.......

Hence, why I'm liking a Marwin Gonzalez signing to pair with Bryce. He's probably half the eventual salary of a Castellanos, yet can also play back up SS.
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Postby TomtheBombadil » Mon Oct 15, 2018 2:20 am

CaliforniaRaisin wrote:Castellanos isn’t a free agent till after 2020 unless I’m misreading Cots.

Getting a RH power hitter to offset an all lefty outfield (assuming the Cubs sign Harper) is a great idea, but it would be easier to fill the gaping hole in the middle infield.


Sign Kipnis after the Indians shockingly buyout his option, replace LaStella with a glove player like Igleisias

Speaking of the Indians...Would Schwarber/Happ/Almora for Triston McKenzie and Lenny Torres be a bad deal for either side?
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