Kintzler Team Option Declined, Exercises Player Option

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Kintzler Team Option Declined, Exercises Player Option

Postby Cubswin11 » Wed Oct 31, 2018 4:40 am

Not shocking at all, hopefully he declines his side as well

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Re: Kintzler Team Option Declined

Postby HawkeTrackler » Wed Oct 31, 2018 2:17 pm

Cubswin11 wrote:hopefully he declines his side as well


I will be astounded if he declines his $5m with how bad he was this year
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Re: Kintzler Team Option Declined

Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Wed Oct 31, 2018 3:17 pm

I fully expect he'll pick up the option, but if you want to give yourself hope, Kintzler is 34 and every season could be his last where he's employable. If he thinks he can even get the Duensing contract(2/7) from somebody, that might technically be in his best interest. That said he'll likely take the 5 million and bet on himself that he can turn things around to earn another deal.
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Re: Kintzler Team Option Declined

Postby UMFan83 » Wed Oct 31, 2018 3:57 pm

Not worth its own thread but since we are talking about options and opt-outs here, Heyward has one this year right? I highly highly doubt that he will exercise the opt out but until I see that he hasn't .001% of me will hold out hope.
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Re: Kintzler Team Option Declined

Postby Banedon » Wed Oct 31, 2018 4:02 pm

UMFan83 wrote:Not worth its own thread but since we are talking about options and opt-outs here, Heyward has one this year right? I highly highly doubt that he will exercise the opt out but until I see that he hasn't .001% of me will hold out hope.


Can opt out after the 2018 season
If applicable Heyward can opt in after 2019 with 550 PA in that season.
Signing Bonus: $20 million (fully deferred at $5M each April 1st from 2024-2027, protected)
If an opt-out is exercised, the signing bonus is paid immediately
Present day contract valued at $179,885,463 due to deferred bonus
Full no trade clause 2016-18
Partial no trade clause 2019-20


https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/chicago-cub ... ward-7231/

That 550 PA Opt in next year is interesting to me. Does that mean they could limit his PA's to avoid that?

He didn't reach that number in the last 2 seasons.
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Re: Kintzler Team Option Declined

Postby KrisBryantisaBeast » Wed Oct 31, 2018 4:07 pm

Banedon wrote:
UMFan83 wrote:Not worth its own thread but since we are talking about options and opt-outs here, Heyward has one this year right? I highly highly doubt that he will exercise the opt out but until I see that he hasn't .001% of me will hold out hope.


Can opt out after the 2018 season
If applicable Heyward can opt in after 2019 with 550 PA in that season.
Signing Bonus: $20 million (fully deferred at $5M each April 1st from 2024-2027, protected)
If an opt-out is exercised, the signing bonus is paid immediately
Present day contract valued at $179,885,463 due to deferred bonus
Full no trade clause 2016-18
Partial no trade clause 2019-20


https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/chicago-cub ... ward-7231/

That 550 PA Opt in next year is interesting to me. Does that mean they could limit his PA's to avoid that?

He didn't reach that number in the last 2 seasons.


If we get Bryce Harper he definitely aint getting that number again either.
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Re: Kintzler Team Option Declined

Postby Liam Neeson » Wed Oct 31, 2018 4:23 pm

I thought that 2019 was another opt out but he can only exercise it if he gets 550 PA
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Re: Kintzler Team Option Declined

Postby SouthSideRyan » Wed Oct 31, 2018 4:34 pm

Liam Neeson wrote:I thought that 2019 was another opt out but he can only exercise it if he gets 550 PA


I believe you’re right even though I don’t quite get the logic of the PA req
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Re: Kintzler Team Option Declined

Postby TMan92 » Wed Oct 31, 2018 4:39 pm

Banedon wrote:
UMFan83 wrote:Not worth its own thread but since we are talking about options and opt-outs here, Heyward has one this year right? I highly highly doubt that he will exercise the opt out but until I see that he hasn't .001% of me will hold out hope.


Can opt out after the 2018 season
If applicable Heyward can opt in after 2019 with 550 PA in that season.
Signing Bonus: $20 million (fully deferred at $5M each April 1st from 2024-2027, protected)
If an opt-out is exercised, the signing bonus is paid immediately
Present day contract valued at $179,885,463 due to deferred bonus
Full no trade clause 2016-18
Partial no trade clause 2019-20


https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/chicago-cub ... ward-7231/

That 550 PA Opt in next year is interesting to me. Does that mean they could limit his PA's to avoid that?

He didn't reach that number in the last 2 seasons.


It sure would be terrible is he opted out next year. Not.

Also, him not getting 550 PA does nothing for the team. We are stuck paying him this money regardless.
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Re: Kintzler Team Option Declined

Postby Banedon » Wed Oct 31, 2018 4:40 pm

SouthSideRyan wrote:
Liam Neeson wrote:I thought that 2019 was another opt out but he can only exercise it if he gets 550 PA


I believe you’re right even though I don’t quite get the logic of the PA req


Yeah that does sound familiar now. Maybe spotrac thought it was an error and that an opt in made more sense, and so they wrote it that way.
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Re: Kintzler Team Option Declined

Postby UMFan83 » Wed Oct 31, 2018 4:43 pm

SouthSideRyan wrote:
Liam Neeson wrote:I thought that 2019 was another opt out but he can only exercise it if he gets 550 PA


I believe you’re right even though I don’t quite get the logic of the PA req


That was an open question at the time it was signed too. There is no reason why Heyward would request this requirement for the opt out, and it doesn't make sense for the Cubs to want it since the only way he's getting less than 550 ABs is if he's hurt or he's not good enough to play every day. I have a feeling that Heyward wanted 2 opt outs, and the Cubs wanted to steer him towards taking the first one, as they knew guys like Harper and Machado would be available this offseason plus expected Jake to leave, Lester to be declining, etc so they wanted payroll flexibility. Also because even before he started to suck at the plate, the skills that made him the most valuable would start to decline towards the back half of the contract.

Basically the Cubs were hoping that this 8 year contract would only be 3 years long
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Re: Kintzler Team Option Declined

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Re: Kintzler Team Option Declined

Postby Cubswin11 » Wed Oct 31, 2018 5:27 pm

Banedon wrote:

Thread title updated, unfortunately. What a stupid horsefeathering trade.
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Re: Kintzler Team Option Declined, Exercises Player Option

Postby The_Achiever » Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:20 pm

I don't think he'll necessarily be the train wreck that he was for the Cubs again next year. For cripes sakes he was an all star in 2017! Lol.

Maybe they can trade him this offseason.
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Re: Kintzler Team Option Declined, Exercises Player Option

Postby Cubswin11 » Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:46 pm

The_Achiever wrote:I don't think he'll necessarily be the train wreck that he was for the Cubs again next year. For cripes sakes he was an all star in 2017! Lol.

Maybe they can trade him this offseason.

He was a garbage pitcher in 2017 (he had a K/9 under 5) and he’s been a garbage pitcher his whole career who has to rely on soft contact and praying to the BABIP Gods to have any kind of success. He horsefeathering sucks.
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Re: Kintzler Team Option Declined, Exercises Player Option

Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:54 pm

Cubswin11 wrote:
The_Achiever wrote:I don't think he'll necessarily be the train wreck that he was for the Cubs again next year. For cripes sakes he was an all star in 2017! Lol.

Maybe they can trade him this offseason.

He was a garbage pitcher in 2017 (he had a K/9 under 5) and he’s been a garbage pitcher his whole career who has to rely on soft contact and praying to the BABIP Gods to have any kind of success. He horsefeathering sucks.


He had 4 seasons of at least 20 IP prior to this year, with ERAs of 2.69, 3.24, 3.15, and 3.03. He's beating is career FIP but not by Tyler Clippard lengths or anything. That profile can go quickly, and signing up for 5 million this year was a risk, but it's disingenuous to say he's been a terrible pitcher getting by on luck. His walk and home rate doubled from anything he had ever done previously, sometimes that happens with relievers, especially those with Kintzler's skills(or lack thereof).
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Re: Kintzler Team Option Declined, Exercises Player Option

Postby Cubswin11 » Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:10 pm

Transmogrified Tiger wrote:
Cubswin11 wrote:
The_Achiever wrote:I don't think he'll necessarily be the train wreck that he was for the Cubs again next year. For cripes sakes he was an all star in 2017! Lol.

Maybe they can trade him this offseason.

He was a garbage pitcher in 2017 (he had a K/9 under 5) and he’s been a garbage pitcher his whole career who has to rely on soft contact and praying to the BABIP Gods to have any kind of success. He horsefeathering sucks.


He had 4 seasons of at least 20 IP prior to this year, with ERAs of 2.69, 3.24, 3.15, and 3.03. He's beating is career FIP but not by Tyler Clippard lengths or anything. That profile can go quickly, and signing up for 5 million this year was a risk, but it's disingenuous to say he's been a terrible pitcher getting by on luck. His walk and home rate doubled from anything he had ever done previously, sometimes that happens with relievers, especially those with Kintzler's skills(or lack thereof).

I said what I said. He’s had a nice career and made good money with average stuff at best. Good for him, I hope we trade him.
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Re: Kintzler Team Option Declined, Exercises Player Option

Postby Bertz » Thu Nov 01, 2018 2:08 am

The_Achiever wrote:I don't think he'll necessarily be the train wreck that he was for the Cubs again next year. For cripes sakes he was an all star in 2017! Lol.

Maybe they can trade him this offseason.


Exactly. He was bad for us, and is obviously not worth $5m, but he's fine. You'd rather spend that same money (and maybe more importantly, that roster spot) on like Jesse Chavez, but spending $5m on a guy who is actually only worth like $3m isn't worth much consternation.
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