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Cubs Picking Up Hamels Option, Trading Smyly to Rangers

Postby David » Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:43 pm

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Re: Cubs Picking Up Hamels Option, Trading Smyly to Rangers?

Postby squally1313 » Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:46 pm

Smyly is a...relatively valuable piece to giving to a team who we just saved $6m. Possible middle infielder incoming?
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Re: Cubs Picking Up Hamels Option, Trading Smyly to Rangers?

Postby KrisBryantisaBeast » Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:47 pm

I guess with Hamels and Monty he is kind of redundant. Hopefully we get something useful for him though.
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Re: Cubs Picking Up Hamels Option, Trading Smyly to Rangers?

Postby Brian » Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:48 pm

smart, they can rehab him in the majors and trade him back to us at the deadline if he's good.
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Re: Cubs Picking Up Hamels Option, Trading Smyly to Rangers?

Postby Bertz » Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:48 pm

Makes sense as a way to cut payroll. I assume we'll get something pretty decent for Smyly, so I'm curious what that looks like.

That said, Smyly is a pretty extreme fly ball guy, so not sure why Texas specifically wants him, but whatever. Also likely means that Montgomery is locked in as the swingman again, so I feel a little bad for him.
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Re: Cubs Picking Up Hamels Option, Trading Smyly to Rangers?

Postby Ding Dong Johnson » Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:49 pm

I'm going to miss that guy who will probably never be very good at pitching
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Re: Cubs Picking Up Hamels Option, Trading Smyly to Rangers?

Postby UMFan83 » Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:11 pm

So basically we save $6m on salary like we would have but have to give up a pretty nice trade chip to do it.
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Postby squally1313 » Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:32 pm

If this was a pure salary dump why wasn't it Kintzler or Duensing?
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Postby ConstableRabbit » Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:33 pm

UMFan83 wrote:So basically we save $6m on salary like we would have but have to give up a pretty nice trade chip to do it.

I think it’s $7m
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Re: Cubs Picking Up Hamels Option, Trading Smyly to Rangers?

Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:33 pm

ConstableRabbit wrote:
UMFan83 wrote:So basically we save $6m on salary like we would have but have to give up a pretty nice trade chip to do it.

I think it’s $7m


Smyly makes 5 million.
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Re: Cubs Picking Up Hamels Option, Trading Smyly to Rangers?

Postby TomtheBombadil » Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:34 pm

I was wondering what they were going to do with Smyly. After a season where all the pre-injured FA signings stunningly blew up in their face it makes to avoid having to rely on one
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Re: Cubs Picking Up Hamels Option, Trading Smyly to Rangers?

Postby Banedon » Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:36 pm

squally1313 wrote:If this was a pure salary dump why wasn't it Kintzler or Duensing?


This doesn't end the offseason. They very well could dump them as well.
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Postby Hairyducked Idiot » Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:44 pm

Always nice to kick the offseason off by getting thinner at pitching to save money.
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Re: Cubs Picking Up Hamels Option, Trading Smyly to Rangers?

Postby ConstableRabbit » Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:45 pm

Transmogrified Tiger wrote:
ConstableRabbit wrote:
UMFan83 wrote:So basically we save $6m on salary like we would have but have to give up a pretty nice trade chip to do it.

I think it’s $7m


Smyly makes 5 million.

Where are you seeing that?
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Re: Cubs Picking Up Hamels Option, Trading Smyly to Rangers?

Postby Brian » Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:46 pm

Transmogrified Tiger wrote:
ConstableRabbit wrote:
UMFan83 wrote:So basically we save $6m on salary like we would have but have to give up a pretty nice trade chip to do it.

I think it’s $7m


Smyly makes 5 million.


for luxury tax purposes, 7 million in actual payroll for 2019

2 years/$10M (2018-19)
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Postby big ball chunky time » Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:53 pm

i do not understand this. Why is Smyly involved in us picking up Hamels option?
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Re: Cubs Picking Up Hamels Option, Trading Smyly to Rangers

Postby Banedon » Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:56 pm

TBS Playoffs Insider wrote:i do not understand this. Why is Smyly involved in us picking up Hamels option?


Two separate transactions reported in the same tweet. I think "in a related move" simply means they're both Cubs moves.
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Re: Cubs Picking Up Hamels Option, Trading Smyly to Rangers

Postby David » Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:57 pm

Banedon wrote:
TBS Playoffs Insider wrote:i do not understand this. Why is Smyly involved in us picking up Hamels option?


Two separate transactions reported in the same tweet. I think "in a related move" simply means they're both Cubs moves.


Well, it's related in that they traded him to make up for some of the money they're paying Hamels, and the Rangers would've had to pay the $6M buyout if the Cubs didn't exercise the option.
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Re: Cubs Picking Up Hamels Option, Trading Smyly to Rangers

Postby Banedon » Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:59 pm

David wrote:
Banedon wrote:
TBS Playoffs Insider wrote:i do not understand this. Why is Smyly involved in us picking up Hamels option?


Two separate transactions reported in the same tweet. I think "in a related move" simply means they're both Cubs moves.


Well, it's related in that they traded him to make up for some of the money they're paying Hamels, and the Rangers would've had to pay the $6M buyout if the Cubs didn't exercise the option.


Ah ok, I see it now.
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Re: Cubs Picking Up Hamels Option, Trading Smyly to Rangers

Postby Bote McBoteface » Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:05 pm

I would have put the odds of that option being picked up at 0% if you asked me this morning. But, ok, whatever.
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Re: Cubs Picking Up Hamels Option, Trading Smyly to Rangers?

Postby javy knows my name » Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:33 pm

Hairyducked Idiot wrote:Always nice to kick the offseason off by getting thinner at pitching to save money.


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Re: Cubs Picking Up Hamels Option, Trading Smyly to Rangers?

Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:34 pm

Brian wrote:
Transmogrified Tiger wrote:
ConstableRabbit wrote:I think it’s $7m


Smyly makes 5 million.


for luxury tax purposes, 7 million in actual payroll for 2019

2 years/$10M (2018-19)
signed by Chicago Cubs as a free agent 12/12/17
18:$3M, 19:$7M
2019 performance bonuses: may earn up to $6M as a starter and up to $1M as a reliever


That's my bad, I had it in my head he had a 5/5 split in raw dollars too and should've double checked. But yeah, for purposes that matter, 5 million
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Re: Cubs Picking Up Hamels Option, Trading Smyly to Rangers

Postby davell » Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:52 pm

This is a weird move. If you're holding the 6 mill over the Rangers head, why do you deal them Smyly? Wouldn't Kintzler or Duensing, or BOTH, been more advantageous to us? BOTH is only an extra 1.5 mill from the Rangers side of things....... Seems like we could have sent them something pretty underwhelming to cover 1.5......

Instead, we send them a guy quite a few teams would probably take a one year flyer on at 7 mill......

We used zero leverage here. If it's to keep up good trade relations? Ok, I get that. But, Smyly wasn't going to be hard to move at all, so this seems more like a favor to them, in my eyes.

One of Duensing or Kintzler being attached, would have made me feel better about this.

This does truly feel like a pure cost cutting move. Fine, I guess. But, there needs to be more deals, more cutting, and then replenishing the spots we're losing.......

This guy being the first gone seems odd to me. This guy being the first out, which hurts our NEEDED rotation depth, is NOT a great look, in my eyes......
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Re: Cubs Picking Up Hamels Option, Trading Smyly to Rangers

Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Fri Nov 02, 2018 5:02 pm

The logic I can come up with for why it's Smyly is that as a starter, with Hamels he's currently what, 8th on the depth chart? 9th if you're a big Alzolay fan? He threw one competitive inning last year. It's not certain he's ready to start games in April, and he's not going to be a guy you can plug into the rotation and let him go like you can with Montgomery or Chatwood, so even in positive outcomes for his workload you have to monitor him pretty intensely. As a reliever he has some higher end potential, but that productivity is also easier to find, and it's especially easier to find when you've moved Montgomery to 6th(7th if Chatwood cures his brain worms) on the SP depth chart. He'd also need to be babied a bit as a reliever, which is prevalent enough with the rest of the pen to dampen enthusiasm for that positive outcome too.

I'd have given up Kintzler and/or Duensing as a pure salary dump first, but Smyly has always been a guy at the fringes of the 2019 pitching staff for me too.
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