2018-19 Offseason Rumors

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Postby TomtheBombadil » Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:39 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:Besides the very obvious, "management sucks?"


A given on every single day

I feel like if the White Sox or Phillies weren’t full of it, at least one of the three top FAs would be off the board. That they’re not but I still have to read* about how totally definitely serious those non-competitive teams with nobody rosters (outside of Nola) are, one with a famously anti-labor owner, is insane.

*I could just not read but it’s two taps to get to MLBTR!
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Re: 2018-19 Offseason Rumors

Postby Sammy Sofa » Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:52 pm

TomtheBombadil wrote:I feel like if the White Sox or Phillies weren’t full of it, at least one of the three top FAs would be off the board.


Given how every single team is shamelessly trying to pay as little as possible, I think you're vastly overstating how unusual it is for none of these guys to be signed as of 1/8.
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Re: 2018-19 Offseason Rumors

Postby TomtheBombadil » Tue Jan 08, 2019 5:26 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:Given how every single team is shamelessly trying to pay as little as possible, I think you're vastly overstating how unusual it is for none of these guys to be signed as of 1/8.


That’s fair and true too, but I don’t see how this ends up helping teams like the Phillies or White Sox actually land any of these guys. The longer teams in their tier of talent wait the more opportunity for teams that are actually good like the Cubs, Dodgers, or Yankees to swoop in. They’re not helping themselves by waiting, just other owners
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Re: 2018-19 Offseason Rumors

Postby Sammy Sofa » Tue Jan 08, 2019 5:33 pm

How are they not helping themselves by trying to wait out these players and agents to see if they can (relatively) lowball their contract demands? The only thing gained for management if they jump on those players now is, obviously, locking up those players before someone else can...but they'd have to pay more to do that, and, again, it's clear that every single team is trying to outdo the next in how to pay FA's as little as possible, regardless of the talent-level.
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Re: 2018-19 Offseason Rumors

Postby Derwood » Tue Jan 08, 2019 5:51 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:
TomtheBombadil wrote:I feel like if the White Sox or Phillies weren’t full of it, at least one of the three top FAs would be off the board.


Given how every single team is shamelessly trying to pay as little as possible, I think you're vastly overstating how unusual it is for none of these guys to be signed as of 1/8.


The blessing/curse of advanced analytics is that there is now a ton of available data to convince owners/GM’s that these players are (sometimes) not worth what they’re asking
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Re: 2018-19 Offseason Rumors

Postby TomtheBombadil » Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:55 am

Since not so deep down both already know they’ll bitch out soon:

Both the Phillies and White Sox are looking at Mike Moustakas as a fallback option in the event that Manny Machado signs elsewhere, writes Jon Morosi of MLB.com.
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Postby Deeg » Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:24 am

I'm starting to think Bryce could fall right back into the Nats' lap.
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Postby Banedon » Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:03 pm

I occasionally will listen to MLB network radio on the way to/from the gym, and they are still convinced that Machado and/or Harper end up with the Yankees. Because whenever they have nothing else to talk about, they talk about the Yankees.
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Postby Derwood » Thu Jan 10, 2019 2:36 pm

Banedon wrote:I occasionally will listen to MLB network radio on the way to/from the gym, and they are still convinced that Machado and/or Harper end up with the Yankees. Because whenever they have nothing else to talk about, they talk about the Yankees.


They are so bored that they don't know how to fill the airtime. One set of hosts is all-in on the Yankees, then 2 hours later, those hosts are convinced its the Phillies, and it's the same crap day after day because they literally have nothing to talk about this off season
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Re: 2018-19 Offseason Rumors

Postby TomtheBombadil » Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:13 pm

In the wake of the Yankees’ agreement with infielder DJ LeMahieu, their talks with free agent Manny Machado “are either dormant or completely dead,” ESPN’s Buster Olney writes


This offseason can really go horsefeathers a goat. Even the rumors are idiot level

Ffs the Mets are the most respectable ML team this offseason. The Mets!
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Re: 2018-19 Offseason Rumors

Postby Derwood » Sun Jan 13, 2019 3:27 pm

TomtheBombadil wrote:
In the wake of the Yankees’ agreement with infielder DJ LeMahieu, their talks with free agent Manny Machado “are either dormant or completely dead,” ESPN’s Buster Olney writes


This offseason can really go horsefeathers a goat. Even the rumors are idiot level

Ffs the Mets are the most respectable ML team this offseason. The Mets!


Just get used to it. This is the new normal. They should just move the Winter Meetings to late January. Front offices are far more cautious and less willing to be the first teams to make a big splash in free agency.
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Postby Bull » Sun Jan 13, 2019 4:33 pm

Derwood wrote:
TomtheBombadil wrote:
In the wake of the Yankees’ agreement with infielder DJ LeMahieu, their talks with free agent Manny Machado “are either dormant or completely dead,” ESPN’s Buster Olney writes


This offseason can really go horsefeathers a goat. Even the rumors are idiot level

Ffs the Mets are the most respectable ML team this offseason. The Mets!


Just get used to it. This is the new normal. They should just move the Winter Meetings to late January. Front offices are far more cautious and less willing to be the first teams to make a big splash in free agency.

Switch the arbitration deadline with the winter meetings. Get arb out of the way earlier and let the teams have a better handle on their actual budget. Winter meetings then return to their proper position, that being where things get done.
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Re: 2018-19 Offseason Rumors

Postby Bertz » Sun Jan 13, 2019 6:46 pm

Dave Dombrowski brought up the idea of an offseason deadline. I love that. It would probably just have to be for trades, because a FA deadline would be brutal for the players. But even just a trade deadline would still move FA along as well. You'd see most prominent FAs sign in the week or three after the trade deadline, and then most of the 1 year deal guys would still wait 'til February just like they do currently.
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Postby Bluescale » Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:44 pm

Bertz wrote:Dave Dombrowski brought up the idea of an offseason deadline. I love that. It would probably just have to be for trades, because a FA deadline would be brutal for the players. But even just a trade deadline would still move FA along as well. You'd see most prominent FAs sign in the week or three after the trade deadline, and then most of the 1 year deal guys would still wait 'til February just like they do currently.


What happens with this if someone gets hurt in spring training? You can no longer trade to fill that gap? Or let's say you finally sign your target, you can no longer trade away the extra pieces on your roster.
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Re: 2018-19 Offseason Rumors

Postby Bertz » Sun Jan 13, 2019 9:27 pm

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Bertz wrote:Dave Dombrowski brought up the idea of an offseason deadline. I love that. It would probably just have to be for trades, because a FA deadline would be brutal for the players. But even just a trade deadline would still move FA along as well. You'd see most prominent FAs sign in the week or three after the trade deadline, and then most of the 1 year deal guys would still wait 'til February just like they do currently.


What happens with this if someone gets hurt in spring training? You can no longer trade to fill that gap? Or let's say you finally sign your target, you can no longer trade away the extra pieces on your roster.


The first part is tough. It's what makes doing anything like this unlikely. I like the idea of "too bad, grab your checkbook and sign a replacement" but that makes this harder to pass with ownership. Maybe carve out an "if you put a guy on the 60 Day DL" type of exemption, but anytime you start introducing exceptions you open it up for abuse.

The second part is an issue by design. The idea being that if you hadn't waited until after the deadline to sign your dude you wouldn't be in this predicament.
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Re: 2018-19 Offseason Rumors

Postby TomtheBombadil » Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:54 am

Definitely for sure coincidence that the Harper/Machado situations look to be speeding up this week, including first news of a formal offer to either outside of the Nats to open
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Postby Cubswin11 » Mon Jan 14, 2019 5:32 am

Seems about right on AAV but light on years/total money.

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Postby Cubswin11 » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:25 am

Congrats to Machado on his 67 year contract with the White Sox

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