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BA, BP, Fangraphs & Keith Law's Cubs' Top Prospects List

Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:23 pm

We can consolidate all the major offseason lists in here as they come out.

Kiley McDaniel and Eric Longenhagen’s Cubs top 31 is out: https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/top-31- ... cago-cubs/

The biggest surprises were Ademan still being in the top 3, Reivaj Garcia at 11, Abbott and Thompson relatively low rankings, and some low minor Latin American pitchers cracking the list (Richard Gallardo all the way at 10, Yovanny Cruz at 24, Danis Correa at 29 and Benjamin Rodriguez at 30).
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Re: FanGraphs Cubs Top 31 Prospects List

Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Fri Dec 07, 2018 3:13 pm

The reports on Hoerner and Roederer are very exciting. Also this bit on Davis' dad and uh, chores is fun:

His mother was a track and field athlete at the University of Washington and his father is former NBA All-Star, Reggie Theus. In addition to his athletic gifts, scouts rave about Davis’ maturity as a student and a worker (often citing the odd hours he keeps taking care of a goat and llamas at his family home), and all thought he’d be able to cope with likely early-career contact struggles and would work to improve his ability to hit.
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Postby Tim » Fri Dec 07, 2018 3:35 pm

Transmogrified Tiger wrote:The reports on Hoerner and Roederer are very exciting. Also this bit on Davis' dad and uh, chores is fun:

His mother was a track and field athlete at the University of Washington and his father is former NBA All-Star, Reggie Theus. In addition to his athletic gifts, scouts rave about Davis’ maturity as a student and a worker (often citing the odd hours he keeps taking care of a goat and llamas at his family home), and all thought he’d be able to cope with likely early-career contact struggles and would work to improve his ability to hit.

I can't believe I missed the fact that his dad is Reggie Theus during the draft.
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I had blocked Jose Albertos from my mind until I read that blurb on him and got depressed again.
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Postby TBS Playoffs Insider » Fri Dec 07, 2018 5:54 pm

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Re: FanGraphs Cubs Top 31 Prospects List

Postby TomtheBombadil » Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:01 pm

Wow, this system is at a weird point in time. Justin Steele (!!) is a top 5 prospect coming off a TJ surgery and a move to the pen.

Nelson Velazquez behind Jonathan Sierra and all the way down at 28 is interesting. I’d think he would get more love for actually getting to his power, especially in this system. Seems that SB stop really hurt him along with the strikeouts, understandable

At least they seemed to like Roederer, Gallardo, and Garcia. I’m a little suspicious of Roederer selling Ks for power so early plus coming with a shoulder issue, but so far so good. Really wish Brennen Davis showed even a hint of power during his debut as that might have held back hit tool questions for a couple months.
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Postby Sammy Sofa » Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:03 pm

TomtheBombadil wrote:Wow, this system is at a weird point in time.


That's the diplomatic way of putting it.

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Postby TomtheBombadil » Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:12 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:That's the diplomatic way of putting it.


I actually chose those words too and deleted “is terrible.” Appreciare recognizing the diplomacy

I acually feel this farm will be back in shape by 2020-2021. They’ve piled up so many 17-20 year olds (something like 100+ last I tried to count) and a few have even flashed already. I’m really just looking for a bat maybe two and Gallardo to be legit
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Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:01 pm

TomtheBombadil wrote:Wow, this system is at a weird point in time. Justin Steele (!!) is a top 5 prospect coming off a TJ surgery and a move to the pen.


Justin Steele hasn't moved to the pen.
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Postby TomtheBombadil » Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:48 pm

CaliforniaRaisin wrote:Justin Steele hasn't moved to the pen.


Oh true, unfortunately that doesn’t really move the needle for him or the farm currently
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Postby Post Count Padder » Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:26 pm

We have a lot of interesting talent several years away and some unexciting arms that could help next year. Between that is barren. Kinda surprised Rucker, Swarmer and Assad missed the top 31 given the system is weak and the former two seem to have high floors and the latter has some good stuff. I kinda have Rucker, Swarmer, Mills, Thompson all in the same boat. I feel like any or all of them could pitch in the majors in 2019.
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Re: FanGraphs Cubs Top 31 Prospects List

Postby CubsWin » Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:46 am

I like seeing the disparity between different outlet's lists. I respect FG's more than the rest on the whole. MLB's list was weird in a lot of places with Uelman and Thompson at 11 & 12, Little at 7 and Underwood and De La Cruz still in the top 10 (9 & 10). It's an interesting insight as to what each outlet values and perhaps the info they bother gathering.

The velocity readings FG listed all match up with what I saw while watching games last season with the possible exception of Abbot who I think I remember hitting 94 a few times while MLB inexplicably had Uelman and Little with a 60 fastball. (Granted 20-80 FB grades aren't exclusively about velocity.)

Gallardo at 10, Garcia at 11 and Estrada at 14 are encouraging. Benjamin Rodriguez at 30 is a lot higher than I had him (and I got criticized for even mentioning him in an unranked list of U20 prospects last summer.)

Speaking of U20 guys, 13 of the 31 names listed by FG are under 20 with 4 more at 20.2 or 20.1. That's 17 in total, over half of the Cubs top 31. By contrast, of the other NL Central teams, the Reds have 6 in their top 31, Milwaukee has 13, the Pirates have 7 and the Cardinals have 5.

As expected, the Reds are the most top heavy with two 60 FV prospects and 5 at 50. No other NL Central team comes close. The Cards are the deepest with 37 prospects listed at 40 FV or higher (the Cubs are 2nd with 31). But that's to be expected with their college draft strategy and (at a glance without doing all the math) the oldest group of players.

The narrative of the Cubs system lacking in high-end talent, having some high-end potential among U20 players (six players under 20 in their top 11 & eight 20.2 or younger in their top 14) along with good depth throughout is backed up by this Fangraphs list.
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Postby CubsWin » Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:52 am

Interesting to note that Duncan Robinson was not even listed in the "Other Prospects of Note" section and was also left off MLB's top 30 list.

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Postby Cubswin11 » Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:29 pm

Man it would be nice if Adbert and Steele could be considered real bullpen options at some point this year and at least look like they could have a Monty type role moving forward. Hopefully/I think Amaya and Hoerner can be solid role players/second division starters and Hoerner could moves fast and give us a real 2B/SS option next year. I also am irrationally high on Roederer, I think he’s going to be a solid player (maybe a Josh Reddick type platoon player with better defense/ability to play CF).
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Re: FanGraphs Cubs Top 31 Prospects List

Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Mon Dec 17, 2018 5:47 pm

BA's Cubs Top 10 Prospects are out: https://www.baseballamerica.com/teams/1 ... ?year=2019

1. Nico Hoerner
2. Miguel Amaya
3. Brailyn Marquez
4. Cole Roederer
5. Brennen Davis
6. Adbert Alzolay
7. Paul Richan
8. Cory Abbott
9. Justin Steele
10. Aramis Ademan
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Postby Tim » Mon Dec 17, 2018 6:01 pm

CaliforniaRaisin wrote:BA's Cubs Top 10 Prospects are out: https://www.baseballamerica.com/teams/1 ... ?year=2019

1. Nico Hoerner
2. Miguel Amaya
3. Brailyn Marquez
4. Cole Roederer
5. Brennen Davis
6. Adbert Alzolay
7. Paul Richan
8. Cory Abbott
9. Justin Steele
10. Aramis Ademan

That's closer to what is in my head.
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Postby Hrubes20 » Mon Dec 17, 2018 9:08 pm

CaliforniaRaisin wrote:BA's Cubs Top 10 Prospects are out: https://www.baseballamerica.com/teams/1 ... ?year=2019

1. Nico Hoerner
2. Miguel Amaya
3. Brailyn Marquez
4. Cole Roederer
5. Brennen Davis
6. Adbert Alzolay
7. Paul Richan
8. Cory Abbott
9. Justin Steele
10. Aramis Ademan


I do like that they have Lange out of the top 10, unlike FG. It will definitely be interesting to see if Richan's secondary stuff plays up like BA seems to think it will. They are the only ones riding that particular train. Here's hoping they are just the first ones of many.
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Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Mon Dec 17, 2018 9:40 pm

Richan being that high on the list from such a tools-friendly outlet as BA is definitely interesting.
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Postby TomtheBombadil » Tue Dec 18, 2018 7:49 am

Nice to see Richan get some love, especially after the hilarious snub by FanGraphs (Tyson Miller made that list, ffs, which I legit just noticed).

Edit: Actually Miller’s less horrendous than I thought, maybe mixed him up. Still - Cruz, Franklin, Rodriguez, and Correa easily could be bumped off for the more advanced and, in a couple cases, currently healthier pitcher

Anyway, interesting that they put Richan directly in front of Abbott and intuitively I like the call. They have similarities like age but Richan does seem like the more well rounded prospect. Abbott offers a little more spin but Richan’s a little more projectable in the upper body, a little more athletic with his delivery, more aggressive with his 4 seam, maybe/probably a tick better velocity...I’d like to see Richan skip the MWL together but do believe he can do better than the 5 HRs Abbott allowed there in just 4something innings.
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Re: FanGraphs Cubs Top 31 Prospects List

Postby Regular Show » Sat Dec 29, 2018 9:24 am

CaliforniaRaisin wrote:BA's Cubs Top 10 Prospects are out: https://www.baseballamerica.com/teams/1 ... ?year=2019

1. Nico Hoerner
2. Miguel Amaya
3. Brailyn Marquez
4. Cole Roederer
5. Brennen Davis
6. Adbert Alzolay
7. Paul Richan
8. Cory Abbott
9. Justin Steele
10. Aramis Ademan


The list is pretty close to what I have except for one name (Richan). That seems weird to me. I also wouldn't place Davis that high, but he has elite level tools and is a great athlete.
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Re: BA & Fangraphs Cubs' Top Prospects List

Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:13 pm

Nico Hoerner came in at 86 on the BP top 101 prospects list. Miguel Amaya was in the next 10.

Also, Kyler Murray somehow ranked at 101. :roll:
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Re: BA & Fangraphs Cubs' Top Prospects List

Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:28 pm

No Cubs in BA’s top 100.
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Postby Hrubes20 » Wed Jan 23, 2019 5:20 pm

CaliforniaRaisin wrote:Nico Hoerner came in at 86 on the BP top 101 prospects list. Miguel Amaya was in the next 10.

Also, Kyler Murray somehow ranked at 101. :roll:


Yeah, I wouldn't put him that high, but as the 14th pick in the draft and a guy that received a large overslot bonus, I get it.
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