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Re: Trade targets 2019

Postby Tryptamine » Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:32 pm

Can we stop trying to destroy the farm? I'd rather not have to wait the better part of a decade to be competitive again after 2021.
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Re: Trade targets 2019

Postby HawkeTrackler » Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:45 pm

Tryptamine wrote:Can we stop trying to destroy the farm? I'd rather not have to wait the better part of a decade to be competitive again after 2021.


Banedon wrote:Despite what the naysayers would have you believe, the Cubs are still in their "window" to win. If you can get some really good piece of the puzzle, and it requires you gutting the farm system to do it...so be it. There's not really that much to gut, is there? Regardless...we don't have any untouchable prospects, imo. World Series now. Worry about the future in the future.
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Re: Trade targets 2019

Postby TomtheBombadil » Thu Jun 13, 2019 4:27 pm

Also the farm would recover plus these things are almost never as bad as the initial reaction makes it seem

Also also the farm has a little bit of coverage this year because the Cubs can include ML depth in a trade

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Postby CyHawk_Cub » Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:27 pm

JMO but there is no one on the farm Theo should balk at moving for an impact piece that helps the big league club (all caveats about quality of return, how long controlled, etc., etc. apply of course).
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Re: Trade targets 2019

Postby squally1313 » Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:34 pm

CyHawk_Cub wrote:JMO but there is no one on the farm Theo should balk at moving for an impact piece that helps the big league club (all caveats about quality of return, how long controlled, etc., etc. apply of course).

This is far from fully thought out, but I think given the current roster, it would take a major injury, probably in the starting rotation, to start talking about the top names in the system. We don't have anyone good enough to land a top bat (Rendon, Lindor), and I doubt they're going to give up a top guy to bolster the bullpen after getting Kimbrel.
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Re: Trade targets 2019

Postby Cubswin11 » Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:13 pm

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CyHawk_Cub wrote:JMO but there is no one on the farm Theo should balk at moving for an impact piece that helps the big league club (all caveats about quality of return, how long controlled, etc., etc. apply of course).

This is far from fully thought out, but I think given the current roster, it would take a major injury, probably in the starting rotation, to start talking about the top names in the system. We don't have anyone good enough to land a top bat (Rendon, Lindor), and I doubt they're going to give up a top guy to bolster the bullpen after getting Kimbrel.

I think we could get Rendon if we wanted, he’s a pure rental. But agree we don’t have enough for Lindor at this moment. Maybe between the winter and next deadline we do assuming guys keep growing (real chance of having multiple top 25-50 guys). I don’t see us making a big trade until the offseason. I think they’re content adding a Watson type or Smith (if the price isn’t crazy) and maybe a utility bat type and being set for this year.
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Re: Trade targets 2019

Postby Cubswin11 » Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:14 pm

I think I could be talked in to Alex Gordon as a target, he’ll be owed ~$14 mil this year yet ($20 mil salary this year, $4 buyout next year becomes a $4 trade bonus if traded) and then there’s a mutual option next year. He’s hitting .270/.350/.470, 10 Dongs, 8% BB 16% K rates, 116 wRC+. He’s at .280/.350/.500 vs RHP this year. Probably won’t cost much.
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Postby TomtheBombadil » Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:38 pm

Cubswin11 wrote:I think I could be talked in to Alex Gordon as a target, he’ll be owed ~$14 mil this year yet ($20 mil salary this year, $4 buyout next year becomes a $4 trade bonus if traded) and then there’s a mutual option next year. He’s hitting .270/.350/.470, 10 Dongs, 8% BB 16% K rates, 116 wRC+. He’s at .280/.350/.500 vs RHP this year. Probably won’t cost much.


Works for me, still a strong defensive OF too
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Postby chopsx9 » Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:19 pm

TomtheBombadil wrote:
Cubswin11 wrote:I think I could be talked in to Alex Gordon as a target, he’ll be owed ~$14 mil this year yet ($20 mil salary this year, $4 buyout next year becomes a $4 trade bonus if traded) and then there’s a mutual option next year. He’s hitting .270/.350/.470, 10 Dongs, 8% BB 16% K rates, 116 wRC+. He’s at .280/.350/.500 vs RHP this year. Probably won’t cost much.


Works for me, still a strong defensive OF too


Hasn't he said he's not playing for anyone other than KC?
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Re: Trade targets 2019

Postby We Got The Whole 9 » Sat Jun 15, 2019 11:06 pm

I want Howie Kendrick and Hunter Pence
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Re: Trade targets 2019

Postby PackLandVA » Sat Jun 15, 2019 11:54 pm

I would struggle to cheer for Hunter Pence if he were a Cub. The way he runs, throws, bats and fields a ball seem so annoying to me. Also don't dig the homeless man / David Crowder look.
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Postby Hunter » Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:22 am

PackLandVA wrote:I would struggle to cheer for Hunter Pence if he were a Cub. The way he runs, throws, bats and fields a ball seem so annoying to me. Also don't dig the homeless man / David Crowder look.


Still has crazy eyes but he shaved down the homeless beard.
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Re: Trade targets 2019

Postby We Got The Whole 9 » Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:03 am

Hes still a good hitter and he doubled his launch angle this year compared to career average. 92 average EV and I believe his sprint speed is equal to Bryant. Hed be a solid addition.

Kendrick has also doubled his launch angle and is having a career year. Versatile enough to handle 5 positions passably.
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Re: Trade targets 2019

Postby Cubswin11 » Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:08 am

No interest in Pence, I'd be a little interested in Kendrick but the Nats have a really soft schedule for a while now and probably are close enough to the WC (if not division) by the deadline they don't sell off and it sounds like Zobrist is likely to come back at some point now so he fills a similar role to Kendrick.

Anyways, was looking through the rosters of horsefeathers teams and found another lefty target. Tim Mayza of the Jays. He's 27 and seems to be close to a pure LOOGY (for his career lefties are .216/.278/.302 vs him and righties are .283/.375/.478, though he is holding RHB to a .209/.340/.326 line this year). Throws mid-high 90s with the FB and also a slider, good K numbers (27%, 11 per 9) and good GB numbers (53%), his BB numbers look bad on the surface but 9 of his 16 walks have come in 3 of his 30 appearances and 7 of 16 in 2 of the 30 appearances. He probably won't cost much and I'd put him along with Tony Watson of cheap options that are still an upgrade to Ryan/Collins duo.
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Re: Trade targets 2019

Postby Backtobanks » Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:58 am

We Got The Whole 9 wrote:Hes still a good hitter and he doubled his launch angle this year compared to career average. 92 average EV and I believe his sprint speed is equal to Bryant. Hed be a solid addition.

Kendrick has also doubled his launch angle and is having a career year. Versatile enough to handle 5 positions passably.



Kendrick is having a great year, but he has been really good for the last 8-9 seasons with the exception of 2016. He would be a great addition.
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Re: Trade targets 2019

Postby TomtheBombadil » Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:27 pm

My favorite realistic-ish LHRP add might be Jake Diekman. Averaging 96 on his fastball/sinker with a 13% whiff rate on the pitch, 22% whiff rate on his slider, 43 Ks / 2 HRs / 18 Hs allowed in 29 IP, contact is mostly groundballs and pop ups, 17% swinging strikes...Gordon, Dozier, Mondesi, or Merrifield are also welcome from the Royals
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Postby Cubswin11 » Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:26 am

Pass on Diekman, there’s to much Justin Wilson in him.
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Re: Trade targets 2019

Postby Bertz » Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:17 pm

https://www.mlb.com/amp/news/howie-kend ... teams.html

Here's a brief list of things that seem to be included in so many different articles about hitters breaking out that they almost seem to be routine at this point. Generally, you'll read that a hitter is...

• Striking out less
• Hitting the ball harder
• Hitting fewer grounders
• Pulling the ball more

... or some combination of the above. It's the way improvement in 2019 works. What you won't generally find is this last part:

• Doing it a few weeks before his 36th birthday, in his 14th Major League season

Now we've found something unique. Now we've found Howie Kendrick, who has gone from "longtime reliably steady Angels second baseman" to "useful bit player on playoff teams in Los Angeles and Washington" to "an outfielder, for some reason" to "suffering possibly career-ending Achilles injury" last year, and now, apparently, a multi-positional impact player and potentially very desirable trade candidate.


I generally would prefer a lefty OF with some power, basically someone in the mold of CarGo but actually good, but really anything to beef up the bench would be helpful.
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Re: Trade targets 2019

Postby We Got The Whole 9 » Tue Jun 18, 2019 4:21 pm

The Launch Angle is most telling. It tells me he is making a concerted effort to get more loft and with his already excellent contact skills, it's not hard to believe that his power numbers have exploded. His xWOBA is 437. That's horsefeathering phenomenal. That would easily lead our team.

Also I agree with the idea that we should not want Milwaukee to get him. And seeing as how they nonchalantly grabbed Moustakas, who has hit as well as Bryant, and Grandal, who has surpassed Contreras in overall value, it would be a horsefeathering kick in the nuts if they grabbed Kendrick for peanuts and fit him into their shoestring budget after the season.

I really hope we don't kick the need for an upgrade at 2B to the curb because Zobrist, who hit like absolute horsefeathers when he played, will return in September. Upgrade the position ASAP, please.Image
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Re: Trade targets 2019

Postby Cubswin11 » Tue Jun 18, 2019 4:45 pm

He’s owed a lot of money, about $8 mil this year prorated and $16 next year but Ian Kennedy is doing some very interesting things our of the bullpen this year. If we could work the money out he’d be awful intriguing. 11.79 K/9 (30% K Rate), 1.5 BB/9 (4%! BB Rate), 45% GB rate, 3.7 ERA, 2.0 FIP, 3.4 xFIP, only 2 dongs given up, he’s seen a velo bump as he’s averaging 94 on the FB, 91 on the slider/cutter, he’s also throwing a curve and change, he’s doing this with a ridiculous BABIP against him too (~.390), he also has a few 1+ inning outings this year. They’d almost have to take back Chatwood or figure out something with some combo of Kintzler/Brach/Descalso+ money coming back to us, but I’m intrigued.
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Re: Trade targets 2019

Postby Backtobanks » Tue Jun 18, 2019 4:59 pm

A small/reasonably cheap deal with the Mariners for Beckham and Elias could fill a couple of needs.
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Re: Trade targets 2019

Postby abohnhoff » Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:27 pm

Speaking of likely acquisitions, our old buddy Terrance Gore has 8 stolen bases this year while being caught 5! times.
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Re: Trade targets 2019

Postby TomtheBombadil » Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:13 pm

Even with Rich Hill on the IL for an undetermined period of time, Dodgers president of baseball operations Andrew Friedman isn’t planning to make starting pitching a particular focus at the trade deadline. “I don’t see it being an area where we spend a lot of energy,” Friedman told reporters, including Bill Plunkett of the Orange County Register. “Could that change? Of course. But I don’t expect it right now. We don’t expect it to be an area of need.” In fact, Friedman didn’t think his team had any obvious weak spots, which perhaps isn’t a surprise given the Dodgers’ league-best 54-25 record. Instead, the front office will look out for “impact players,” since such additions are “what moves the needle in October.”


Must be nice! You'd think with a record like that the Dodgers would only be interested in their very own Descalso or maybe giving their favorite AAA reliever prospectS some experience.

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From MLB.com:

Harper experience could influence whether Nats trade Rendon

June 23: The 2019 Nationals are quite similar to last year’s version. The club is trying to play its way out of an early hole, with one of its star players headed for free agency in the offseason. In ’18, it was Bryce Harper. This season, it’s Anthony Rendon.

Harper reportedly was almost traded to the Astros last July, but Nats ownership rejected the move. The outfielder was then claimed off revocable waivers by the Dodgers in August, but a trade never came to fruition with Los Angeles, either, and Harper ultimately left Washington to sign a 13-year, $330 million contract with the Phillies.

Washington has fared better lately and entered Sunday three games out in the race for the second National League Wild Card spot, so the club is unlikely to make a decision on its Trade Deadline direction anytime soon.

But Buster Olney suggests in an article for ESPN+ (subscription required) that the Nats could be more inclined to sell than they were last season if they are still hovering around .500 in late July, having learned from the Harper experience.


I really want to win the Rendon sweepstakes now that Haniger is down
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Re: Trade targets 2019

Postby Cubswin11 » Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:21 pm

Brian Anderson would be interesting. He’s 26, so he’s not “young” for a rebuilding team. Is a plus defender at 3B and OF. I’d do something like Almora (Jeets has to love him), Ademan, a Giambrone type and a pitcher we don’t really care about.
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Re: Trade targets 2019

Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:28 pm

Cubswin11 wrote:Brian Anderson would be interesting. He’s 26, so he’s not “young” for a rebuilding team. Is a plus defender at 3B and OF. I’d do something like Almora (Jeets has to love him), Ademan, a Giambrone type and a pitcher we don’t really care about.


If we just want someone to be a slightly above average bat with solid defense for depth, I kinda feel like Robel Garcia has to be the first call before spending any trade currency.
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