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Postby squally1313 » Tue Feb 11, 2020 2:53 pm

The argument for this kind of playoff expanding move, that it will reduce tanking by giving more teams a shot, is more than offset by the fact that the new target for wins will be like 85, and you'll see pretty much all the big market teams doing the same treading water horsefeathers that the Cubs have been doing for the last two offseasons.
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Postby jersey cubs fan » Tue Feb 11, 2020 2:59 pm

squally1313 wrote:The argument for this kind of playoff expanding move, that it will reduce tanking by giving more teams a shot, is more than offset by the fact that the new target for wins will be like 85, and you'll see pretty much all the big market teams doing the same treading water horsefeathers that the Cubs have been doing for the last two offseasons.

that's why you make the WC a one game play-in, to really give the top teams an incentive to be great and not settle for just getting in.

Wild cards team get the opportunity, but they have to go an extra step to make up for sneaking in on the cheap.
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Postby squally1313 » Tue Feb 11, 2020 3:05 pm

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squally1313 wrote:The argument for this kind of playoff expanding move, that it will reduce tanking by giving more teams a shot, is more than offset by the fact that the new target for wins will be like 85, and you'll see pretty much all the big market teams doing the same treading water horsefeathers that the Cubs have been doing for the last two offseasons.

that's why you make the WC a one game play-in, to really give the top teams an incentive to be great and not settle for just getting in.

Wild cards team get the opportunity, but they have to go an extra step to make up for sneaking in on the cheap.


Yeah I'm a big fan of making the WC teams play their way in, though I'd prefer a three game series (more baseball, wear out your pitching staff). Anything that rewards winning the division/having the best record. The proposed format, with only one team getting the advantage, I think is too small of a target for teams to go for.

I'd be open to the weirder ideas that give advantages to the top teams. Give the higher seed full time home field advantage would be cool but never happen for ticket sales reasons. Hell, make the first round a best of seven, but give the higher seed a 1-0 lead. You're only really adding one game to that round then, and make it a lot harder for the worse team to sneak out of there.
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Postby minnesotacubsfan » Tue Feb 11, 2020 3:12 pm

Why the hell would a stronger team need a 1 game advantage?


Just play it straight up, if a team sneaks into the playoffs and then runs the table, thats a great sports story. 2019 Nationals, Giants vs NE, baseball Giants etc. i dont want to watch the NBA where every damn year its the top team winning it all
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Postby jersey cubs fan » Tue Feb 11, 2020 3:16 pm

minnesotacubsfan wrote:Why the hell would a stronger team need a 1 game advantage?


It's not a need, it's a reward. You want to incentivize trying, which is a problem in baseball right now.
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Postby minnesotacubsfan » Tue Feb 11, 2020 3:27 pm

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minnesotacubsfan wrote:Why the hell would a stronger team need a 1 game advantage?


It's not a need, it's a reward. You want to incentivize trying, which is a problem in baseball right now.



The difference between being the #2 seed and the # 5 seed can literally be the division you play in. How does a 1 game lead incentivize trying in that scenario, which happens nearly every year?
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Re: General Baseball Chit-Chat Thread

Postby squally1313 » Tue Feb 11, 2020 3:33 pm

minnesotacubsfan wrote:
jersey cubs fan wrote:
minnesotacubsfan wrote:Why the hell would a stronger team need a 1 game advantage?


It's not a need, it's a reward. You want to incentivize trying, which is a problem in baseball right now.



The difference between being the #2 seed and the # 5 seed can literally be the division you play in. How does a 1 game lead incentivize trying in that scenario, which happens nearly every year?


Well in the first round, the team with the best record plays the wild card winner, so they would definitely have a better record than whoever they are playing, and then of the other two division winners, the team with the better record would get the advantage. In my head this only applied to round one. It creates level of incentives around having the best regular season possible and winning your division.
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Re: General Baseball Chit-Chat Thread

Postby jersey cubs fan » Tue Feb 11, 2020 3:44 pm

minnesotacubsfan wrote:
jersey cubs fan wrote:
minnesotacubsfan wrote:Why the hell would a stronger team need a 1 game advantage?


It's not a need, it's a reward. You want to incentivize trying, which is a problem in baseball right now.



The difference between being the #2 seed and the # 5 seed can literally be the division you play in. How does a 1 fame lead incentivize trying in that scenario, which happens nearly every year?

I'm not advocating the 1 game lead thing. I think 1 game play ins for WC teams are the best option.
The point is to make a strong team in a though division not just settle for a WC, and also giving contenders a reason to try for more than just getting in with 85 wins. At the bare minimum, you want to host that WC play in game if for nothing else, the revenue, but also the excitement you give your hometown fans and slight advantage in winning. Same with better record team hosting playoff rounds.
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Postby minnesotacubsfan » Tue Feb 11, 2020 4:18 pm

squally1313 wrote:
minnesotacubsfan wrote:
jersey cubs fan wrote:
It's not a need, it's a reward. You want to incentivize trying, which is a problem in baseball right now.



The difference between being the #2 seed and the # 5 seed can literally be the division you play in. How does a 1 game lead incentivize trying in that scenario, which happens nearly every year?


Well in the first round, the team with the best record plays the wild card winner, so they would definitely have a better record than whoever they are playing, and then of the other two division winners, the team with the better record would get the advantage. In my head this only applied to round one. It creates level of incentives around having the best regular season possible and winning your division.




I misses the part of it being applied to only the Divisional series. However, I worry its only a temporary fix: teams adept at tanking will continue to tank (as only a few wt the top are effected by this addition). The issue lies in the ownership, to me. I don’t know how you fix that unless you start taking away reams from the Jeff Lorias, and dare I say Ricketts of the world.
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Let's check in with our old friend Ed Lynch, shall we?
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Postby jersey cubs fan » Tue Feb 11, 2020 6:01 pm

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Postby Banedon » Tue Feb 11, 2020 7:44 pm

squally1313 wrote:https://nypost.com/2020/02/10/mlb-plotting-playoff-expansion-with-reality-tv-twist/

This is getting trashed by Baseball Twitter, and I definitely agree in terms of the new format/bracket. Have always thought that picking your own opponent would be a fun way to ramp up the intensity though, so that part I'm very intrigued by.


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Postby Brian » Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:15 pm



I knew they were going to limit September rosters, but did we know it was going to be this extreme. It was excessive to allow as many on the 40 roster as you wanted, but to go straight to just one more pitcher and one more position players seems not great.
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Postby Andy » Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:31 pm

Yes, the 28-player limit was announced at the same time as all this other crap IIRC.
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Postby Cubswin11 » Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:40 pm

I feel like the three batter minimum rule is going to make just as many games run longer (reliever comes in and gets bombed/has to wear it and/or another one has to come in and clean it up, etc) as it will help make games get done 5-10 minutes sooner.
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Cubswin11 wrote:I feel like the three batter minimum rule is going to make just as many games run longer (reliever comes in and gets bombed/has to wear it and/or another one has to come in and clean it up, etc) as it will help make games get done 5-10 minutes sooner.


I imagine the counter argument is at least that’s action on the field as opposed to pitching changes and mound visits
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Postby Cubswin11 » Thu Feb 13, 2020 12:48 am

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Cubswin11 wrote:I feel like the three batter minimum rule is going to make just as many games run longer (reliever comes in and gets bombed/has to wear it and/or another one has to come in and clean it up, etc) as it will help make games get done 5-10 minutes sooner.


I imagine the counter argument is at least that’s action on the field as opposed to pitching changes and mound visits

Absolutely. But it being sold as being a time saving measure I think is a bit disingenuous and also like all these other rules at best were talking a couple minutes a game at best.
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Postby Bertz » Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:16 pm

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Pretty substantial bump. I'd say the salaries themselves are approaching adequate, although they're only paid for the regular season so the owners managed to stay sufficiently dickish.
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