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Re: 2015-2016 college basketball

Postby Stannis » Mon Jan 11, 2016 12:44 pm

Smack wrote:We're just awful against small teams.


Illinois isnt really a small team, but they arent big, either. They have a lot of 2s and 3s.
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Re: 2015-2016 college basketball

Postby mul21 » Mon Jan 11, 2016 1:30 pm

Stannis wrote:
Smack wrote:We're just awful against small teams.


Illinois isnt really a small team, but they arent big, either. They have a lot of 2s and 3s.


Considering that they rarely have more than 1 guy on the floor I'd consider a true 4 or 5, yeah they're a "small" team. If not stature wise then style wise. When Hill is the 4 a majority of the time he's on the floor, you're playing small.
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Re: 2015-2016 college basketball

Postby Stannis » Mon Jan 11, 2016 2:57 pm

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Stannis wrote:
Smack wrote:We're just awful against small teams.


Illinois isnt really a small team, but they arent big, either. They have a lot of 2s and 3s.


Considering that they rarely have more than 1 guy on the floor I'd consider a true 4 or 5, yeah they're a "small" team. If not stature wise then style wise. When Hill is the 4 a majority of the time he's on the floor, you're playing small.


eh, they don't have a real 1 or a real 5, they are a stretch team. They can play long and fast. Hill regularly brings the ball up court and initiates the offense, so he can play anywhere between 1-4.
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Re: 2015-2016 college basketball

Postby Smack » Mon Jan 11, 2016 4:06 pm

Stannis wrote:
Smack wrote:We're just awful against small teams.


Illinois isnt really a small team, but they arent big, either. They have a lot of 2s and 3s.


Small in relation to Purdue I should say. Hammons trying to chase Finke around the perimeter. 6' 9" Swanigan trying to chase a wing around. Vince Evans trying to chase a guard around. Illinois was the first team to shoot over 50% against Purdue in 37 games. Some of that just comes down to Illinois making some shots they usually don't make (shooting almost 20% better from 3 than their season average) but a lot of it was our bigger guys not being able to defend the smaller Illinois guys.

Illinois was great at triple teaming our centers and our shooters couldn't make them pay, shooting 32% from three. Add in a [expletive] load of turnovers (16!) which we have a propensity for and 28 personal fouls and you get a blowout. It's the same recipe that Butler used to great effect and is the obvious blueprint for beating our size. If Painter can't adjust to smaller teams and we can't impose our will it's going to be a quick tournament run when we draw a smaller team.
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Re: 2015-2016 college basketball

Postby sneakypower » Tue Jan 12, 2016 10:03 pm

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Postby UMFan83 » Tue Jan 12, 2016 10:05 pm

sneakypower wrote:fun game, that one


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Re: 2015-2016 college basketball

Postby Smack » Tue Jan 12, 2016 10:11 pm

1, 3, 8, and 17 go down tonight.
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Re: 2015-2016 college basketball

Postby CubInOK » Tue Jan 12, 2016 10:24 pm

Smack wrote:1, 3, 8, and 17 go down tonight.

Please don't lose tomorrow OU...

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Re: 2015-2016 college basketball

Postby Smack » Wed Jan 13, 2016 3:29 pm

lol, shocker
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Re: 2015-2016 college basketball

Postby Butterscup » Wed Jan 13, 2016 6:28 pm

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Re: 2015-2016 college basketball

Postby Transmogrified Tiger » Wed Jan 13, 2016 6:35 pm

Can't believe they'd keep us out of the SEC tournament this year, that really cuts to the core.

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Re: 2015-2016 college basketball

Postby bcl412 » Thu Jan 14, 2016 6:53 pm

If iowa does what they did against iowa state i will be quite upset.

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Re: 2015-2016 college basketball

Postby Ding Dong Johnson » Thu Jan 14, 2016 7:16 pm

bcl412 wrote:If iowa does what they did against iowa state i will be quite upset.

I even thought the officiating was pretty one-sided for most of the 1st half. They should hopefully be fine now that it's evened out.
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Re: 2015-2016 college basketball

Postby bcl412 » Thu Jan 14, 2016 7:59 pm

That was fun

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Re: 2015-2016 college basketball

Postby Smack » Fri Jan 15, 2016 12:22 pm

Iowa up to #4 on Pomeroy.
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Re: 2015-2016 college basketball

Postby Ding Dong Johnson » Fri Jan 15, 2016 4:34 pm

But for reals on MSU, are they good? I haven't seen them outside of the 2 games with Iowa.
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Re: 2015-2016 college basketball

Postby SouthSideRyan » Fri Jan 15, 2016 4:36 pm

Yes, they're very good.
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Re: 2015-2016 college basketball

Postby Stannis » Fri Jan 15, 2016 11:07 pm

And illinois is too good not to get a tourney bid
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Re: 2015-2016 college basketball

Postby UMFan83 » Sat Jan 16, 2016 8:39 am

Ding Dong Johnson wrote:But for reals on MSU, are they good? I haven't seen them outside of the 2 games with Iowa.


They are really good but I don't think Valentine is 100% yet and they clearly aren't the same team without him at his best.

All that said, Iowa looks really good and I am not looking forward to the potential ass kicking in Iowa City tomorrow with or without Levert.
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Re: 2015-2016 college basketball

Postby sneakypower » Sat Jan 16, 2016 2:48 pm

kenpom attempts to quantify home-court advantage
http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/weblog/entry/tiers_of_joy
It turns out those adjustments are important. Beating the 90th-ranked team on the road is about as difficult as beating the 50th-best team on a neutral floor, which is roughly as difficult as beating the 20th-best team on one’s home floor. (The exact relationship can vary by season.) So it’s poor form to ignore this when some teams in college never go on the road in non-conference and others rarely get to play a non-conference game at home.
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