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Postby CaliforniaRaisin » Wed Jul 21, 2021 2:52 am

Scheduled Games (All Times Central):

Iowa at Columbus, 6:05 p.m.
Tennessee at Rocket City, 6:35 p.m.
South Bend at Wisconsin, 12:05 p.m.
Myrtle Beach vs. Charleston, 6:05 p.m.

All Complex League teams have the day off

Probable Starters:

Iowa: RHP Cory Abbott (44 IP, 6.75 ERA, 5.04 FIP, 13.70 K/9, 4.70 BB/9)
South Bend: RHP Ryan Jensen (48.2 IP, 4.99 ERA< 4.89 FIP, 10.17 K/9, 3.33 BB/9)
Myrtle Beach: RHP José González (36 IP, 4.25 ERA< 4.96 FIP, 8.25 K/9, 6.25 BB/9)
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Brennen celebrating his top FG 20 ranking/60 FV:

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Brennen. Again.

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Postby Tim » Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:17 am

Morel is only half the prospect. He only hit one hr today.
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Postby Bertz » Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:31 am

Davis is quickly going from "he should get some big league time next year" to "you can probably assume CF is his next year"
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Postby CubsWin » Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:54 am

That 2nd dinger from Davis was crushed. Not one defensive player moved. Not one KID beyond the fence moved. Everybody stood and watched it fly over their heads and out onto the street.
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Postby illiniguy » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:29 am

Bertz wrote:Davis is quickly going from "he should get some big league time next year" to "you can probably assume CF is his next year"

I don't think so. Kid has like 400 professional at bats, we won't be very good, and poor Tom won't want to start his clock yet.
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Postby CubsWin » Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:51 am

Tim wrote:Morel is only half the prospect. He only hit one hr today.

Christopher saw your post and said hold my beer...
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Postby Tim » Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:09 pm

CubsWin wrote:
Tim wrote:Morel is only half the prospect. He only hit one hr today.

Christopher saw your post and said hold my beer...

Ha! Awesome.
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Postby CubinNY » Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:16 pm

illiniguy wrote:
Bertz wrote:Davis is quickly going from "he should get some big league time next year" to "you can probably assume CF is his next year"

I don't think so. Kid has like 400 professional at bats, we won't be very good, and poor Tom won't want to start his clock yet.

They will likely give him the Bryant/Hoerner treatment to manipulate service time because they are a trash organization.
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Postby Tim » Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:29 pm

CubinNY wrote:
illiniguy wrote:
Bertz wrote:Davis is quickly going from "he should get some big league time next year" to "you can probably assume CF is his next year"

I don't think so. Kid has like 400 professional at bats, we won't be very good, and poor Tom won't want to start his clock yet.

They will likely give him the Bryant/Hoerner treatment to manipulate service time because they are a trash organization.

You say this without even knowing what will happen in the next CBA.

Hell, we'll be lucky if there's baseball at all next spring.
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Postby Bertz » Thu Jul 22, 2021 1:38 pm

Tim wrote:
CubinNY wrote:
illiniguy wrote:I don't think so. Kid has like 400 professional at bats, we won't be very good, and poor Tom won't want to start his clock yet.

They will likely give him the Bryant/Hoerner treatment to manipulate service time because they are a trash organization.

You say this without even knowing what will happen in the next CBA.

Hell, we'll be lucky if there's baseball at all next spring.


Yeah, the whole service time manipulation thing is going to get addressed in the next CBA. It's one of the highest profile issues the PA has raised. And honestly it probably shouldn't get dealt with, they should save their negotiating bullets for things that affects more dollars, but this is 100% getting addressed. The PA will ask for like this and an extra omelette chef on road trips in exchange for expanded playoffs.

(Also, Hoerner's not an example...)
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Postby TomtheBombadil » Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:58 pm

I also don’t think the service time games are necessary anymore anyway. The largest signing bonus among MiLers is Howard’s $3.75 as far as I remember, and Bryant’s $6 and change is nearly a decade old. The Ricketts and other owners have to feel amazing about where that is headed into a new CBA, bonuses have only gone backwards and helped set lower ceilings. The Cubs can promote these guys and utilize the highly effective Not That Good + We’re Poor strategy they did for the current group of players, maybe with an even more strict salary cap. I’m fingers crossed Davis is called up this year even

Ethan Roberts kept killing it last night too, another perfect inning with a couple Ks

Morel’s turning out to be a decent prospect himself, something I’m not sure happens in most orgs
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Postby craig » Thu Jul 22, 2021 6:12 pm

TomtheBombadil wrote:..Ethan Roberts kept killing it last night too, another perfect inning with a couple Ks

Morel’s turning out to be a decent prospect himself, something I’m not sure happens in most orgs


Roberts numbers are pretty amazing, even if the reliever sample size is small. Seems he looks not only possible but probable to get some big-league opportunity. And given that he's not a wildman, it seems variably probable that he'll be good. Possible that he'll be excellent?

Morel, with his 2-HR day his OPS is up to .730, and he's still hanging in north of the Mendoza line, .205. It will be interesting whether he'll ever get much better in terms of contact and batting average? If he improves some, has a chance to maybe be analogous to Marisnick? Good athlete/good-defense low-average athlete with power? Or maybe like Ian Happ, good power, good walks, low batting average guy, some positional flexibility, although Morel would be RH versus Happ as the switch hitter.

Roberts is a kinda nice example of an underslot signability draft pick who still was a prospect, and is working out well even if the bonus wasn't that big? Roberts was in the Rohderer draft class, 4th round signed for $130K, >$300K below slot. So only $5K more than a 3rd-day slot pick.
-Reminder to myself. I sometimes forget that 2nd-day underslot picks can still be more than just underslot signability guys; they may be pool-savers, but they may still perhaps be prospects too?

Watkins (9th) and Chavers (7th) both signed for 3rd day slot ($125K); Spence only $10K above that ($135K); and Opitz in round 8 didn't even get what the 3rd-day college picks get ($90K). Interesting that he wasn't confident he'd be able to get a $125K deal on Day 3..
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Postby CubsWin » Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:53 pm

craig wrote:
TomtheBombadil wrote:..Ethan Roberts kept killing it last night too, another perfect inning with a couple Ks

Morel’s turning out to be a decent prospect himself, something I’m not sure happens in most orgs


Roberts numbers are pretty amazing, even if the reliever sample size is small. Seems he looks not only possible but probable to get some big-league opportunity. And given that he's not a wildman, it seems variably probable that he'll be good. Possible that he'll be excellent?

Morel, with his 2-HR day his OPS is up to .730, and he's still hanging in north of the Mendoza line, .205. It will be interesting whether he'll ever get much better in terms of contact and batting average? If he improves some, has a chance to maybe be analogous to Marisnick? Good athlete/good-defense low-average athlete with power? Or maybe like Ian Happ, good power, good walks, low batting average guy, some positional flexibility, although Morel would be RH versus Happ as the switch hitter.

Roberts is a kinda nice example of an underslot signability draft pick who still was a prospect, and is working out well even if the bonus wasn't that big? Roberts was in the Rohderer draft class, 4th round signed for $130K, >$300K below slot. So only $5K more than a 3rd-day slot pick.
-Reminder to myself. I sometimes forget that 2nd-day underslot picks can still be more than just underslot signability guys; they may be pool-savers, but they may still perhaps be prospects too?

Watkins (9th) and Chavers (7th) both signed for 3rd day slot ($125K); Spence only $10K above that ($135K); and Opitz in round 8 didn't even get what the 3rd-day college picks get ($90K). Interesting that he wasn't confident he'd be able to get a $125K deal on Day 3..

I've never thought of it this way but the MLB draft is clearly about finding players with a poor sense of (literal) self-worth.
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Postby TomtheBombadil » Fri Jul 23, 2021 4:01 am

craig wrote:Roberts numbers are pretty amazing, even if the reliever sample size is small. Seems he looks not only possible but probable to get some big-league opportunity. And given that he's not a wildman, it seems variably probable that he'll be good. Possible that he'll be excellent?

Morel, with his 2-HR day his OPS is up to .730, and he's still hanging in north of the Mendoza line, .205. It will be interesting whether he'll ever get much better in terms of contact and batting average? If he improves some, has a chance to maybe be analogous to Marisnick? Good athlete/good-defense low-average athlete with power? Or maybe like Ian Happ, good power, good walks, low batting average guy, some positional flexibility, although Morel would be RH versus Happ as the switch hitter.

Roberts is a kinda nice example of an underslot signability draft pick who still was a prospect, and is working out well even if the bonus wasn't that big?


Roberts is about 102 really dominant innings in the minors, 2 HRs allowed with a 26% K rate, 20% K-BB, 2.72 ERA, so on so forth, so I don't think is bonus really matters if it did before. With how popular relief prospects have been so far, I wouldn't be surprised to see Roberts included in a trade. He's got alot going on and is a pretty good bet to reach the MLs but also being a RHMR is going to leave alot of room for competition over innings unless something crazy happens

Morel's pretty much the glove and slug guy I thought, running a 90 wRC+ but .200+ IsoSLG, taking some walks in the upper minors is good...I'm guessing some shot at being a second division starter, first division bench player kind of guy sure why not :dontknow:
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