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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby WrigleyField 22 » Wed Mar 24, 2021 8:18 pm

CubinNY wrote:Most countries of significant size have some form of federalism, but not in the way we have it. I agree with Tim, why should BCBS be able to operate across states with different rules on what they cover state by state? We have lax environmental laws (none) in Alabama why should that be allowed? It would obviously never happen, but I think a uniform set of laws would be a great thing for our country.

I feel like federalism is one of those terms that in the US, has a meaning that is detattched from what is actually means. I don't know if it's cuz of the Federalist papers or what, but I often see it used shorthand for the federalist system as designed by the founders and not a more broadly, "federal branch to which regional governments are subordinate." By 1780-whatever standards whatever might have been federalist is clearly not today, so I do occassionally see conservatives use it as an example of our specific state/federal bower balance rather than something more broadly as federalism.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby WrigleyField 22 » Wed Mar 24, 2021 8:23 pm

That said, it sounds like Tim still wants some form of federalism ans not a truly unitarian government state. It's really just a question about whether what is permissible as local v federal rule is fluid over different populations over time.

Just like, what mix of federalism do we want?
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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby Tim » Wed Mar 24, 2021 8:23 pm

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All offense intended: that's a really dumb take. What communist system has or would or could exist without a centralized government/ruling body?

I meant to eliminate federalism as in this definition: "Federalism is a mixed or compound mode of government that combines a general government (the central or "federal" government) with regional governments (provincial, state, cantonal, territorial or other sub-unit governments) in a single political system."

I'd prefer to go to a *more* centralized government where the only things handled at a state or local level are truly local in scope.


Yeah, I only realized that after his response. I thought you said "federal system" you meant it as in "the federal government." My mistake. Everyone is smarter than me, and the only super dumb take is right here.

Nah - my bad for not putting the "-ist" at the end of "federal" in my first post. The human brain is really bad at multitasking.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby Sammy Sofa » Wed Mar 24, 2021 8:28 pm

My brain is extra-mush these days. Probably all those NWO Microsoft chips that got injected in there.
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Postby CyHawk_Cub » Wed Mar 24, 2021 8:41 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:My brain is extra-mush these days. Probably all those NWO Microsoft chips that got injected in there.

Using your brain to mine crypto currency. Thanks.

Damn, I've said too much.
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Postby SouthSideRyan » Wed Mar 24, 2021 9:21 pm

Sammy Sofa wrote:My brain is extra-mush these days. Probably all those NWO Microsoft chips that got injected in there.


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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby Proven Veteran » Wed Mar 24, 2021 11:17 pm

jersey cubs fan wrote:
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TruffleShuffle wrote:https://twitter.com/KevinMKruse/status/1374317872604930048

a guy south dakota saying that washington dc shouldn't be a state (i.e., have representation in congress) is really an impressive lack of awareness about how utterly useless his state is.

I'd prefer Puerto Rico to DC. What's the case to not have DC return to Maryland? I'd love to combine some other states while we're at it.

What's the case for DC not being a state?

It's 68 square miles.
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Proven Veteran wrote:
jersey cubs fan wrote:
Proven Veteran wrote:I'd prefer Puerto Rico to DC. What's the case to not have DC return to Maryland? I'd love to combine some other states while we're at it.

What's the case for DC not being a state?

It's 68 square miles.


with a population that would rank in the top 20 of all states.
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Postby Proven Veteran » Wed Mar 24, 2021 11:27 pm

big ball chunky time wrote:
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jersey cubs fan wrote:What's the case for DC not being a state?

It's 68 square miles.


with a population that would rank in the top 20 of all states.


It's also 20th in population for cities, do you want 1-19 to also be their own states?
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Postby Proven Veteran » Wed Mar 24, 2021 11:30 pm

big ball chunky time wrote:
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jersey cubs fan wrote:What's the case for DC not being a state?

It's 68 square miles.


with a population that would rank in the top 20 of all states.



Wait, are you including the metro area? Wouldn't those stay with their states? DC itself would be 50th if you include Puerto Rico, ahead of only Wyoming and Vermont.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby big ball chunky time » Wed Mar 24, 2021 11:33 pm

i dont know i was just horsefeathers posting
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Postby Proven Veteran » Wed Mar 24, 2021 11:42 pm

big ball chunky time wrote:i dont know i was just horsefeathers posting


You rat bastard.
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Postby jersey cubs fan » Wed Mar 24, 2021 11:56 pm

Proven Veteran wrote:
jersey cubs fan wrote:
Proven Veteran wrote:I'd prefer Puerto Rico to DC. What's the case to not have DC return to Maryland? I'd love to combine some other states while we're at it.

What's the case for DC not being a state?

It's 68 square miles.

That’s a fact, not a case. Land doesn’t vote.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby Sammy Sofa » Thu Mar 25, 2021 1:14 am

Proven Veteran wrote:
big ball chunky time wrote:
Proven Veteran wrote:It's 68 square miles.


with a population that would rank in the top 20 of all states.


It's also 20th in population for cities, do you want 1-19 to also be their own states?


No, because they're not weird, separate, stateless, non-represented entities like DC already is.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby JudasIscariotTheBird » Thu Mar 25, 2021 2:47 am

Can someone make the case that DC should NOT have national legislative representation!? Wtf are we talking about. This is [expletive]. I don't care if only 2000 people live there. Give the Dems a cheapo Senate seat and give 2000 largely-minority people the representation they horsefeathering ought to have.
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JudasIscariotTheBird wrote:Can someone make the case that DC should NOT have national legislative representation!? Wtf are we talking about. This is [expletive]. I don't care if only 2000 people live there. Give the Dems a cheapo Senate seat and give 2000 largely-minority people the representation they horsefeathering ought to have.

I dunno...if the 700,000+ citizens in D.C. were spread out over the same geographic area as the ~590,00 citizens in Wyoming, they'd be more deserving of 2 US senators, I guess.
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Postby Proven Veteran » Thu Mar 25, 2021 8:10 pm

CyHawk_Cub wrote:
JudasIscariotTheBird wrote:Can someone make the case that DC should NOT have national legislative representation!? Wtf are we talking about. This is [expletive]. I don't care if only 2000 people live there. Give the Dems a cheapo Senate seat and give 2000 largely-minority people the representation they horsefeathering ought to have.

I dunno...if the 700,000+ citizens in D.C. were spread out over the same geographic area as the ~590,00 citizens in Wyoming, they'd be more deserving of 2 US senators, I guess.



Small states already have too much power as it is, we don't need another one. Make DC part of Maryland.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby CubinNY » Thu Mar 25, 2021 8:14 pm

Proven Veteran wrote:
CyHawk_Cub wrote:
JudasIscariotTheBird wrote:Can someone make the case that DC should NOT have national legislative representation!? Wtf are we talking about. This is [expletive]. I don't care if only 2000 people live there. Give the Dems a cheapo Senate seat and give 2000 largely-minority people the representation they horsefeathering ought to have.

I dunno...if the 700,000+ citizens in D.C. were spread out over the same geographic area as the ~590,00 citizens in Wyoming, they'd be more deserving of 2 US senators, I guess.



Small states already have too much power as it is, we don't need another one. Make DC part of Maryland.

Counterpoint, more small states means they will have less power. Or to put it another way, more representation is never a bad thing.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby CoolHandLuke » Thu Mar 25, 2021 8:18 pm

Seems like such a weird position to hold so strongly.

Do you have a lot of really nice globes or something?
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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby Proven Veteran » Thu Mar 25, 2021 8:20 pm

CubinNY wrote:
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CyHawk_Cub wrote:I dunno...if the 700,000+ citizens in D.C. were spread out over the same geographic area as the ~590,00 citizens in Wyoming, they'd be more deserving of 2 US senators, I guess.



Small states already have too much power as it is, we don't need another one. Make DC part of Maryland.

Counterpoint, more small states means they will have less power. Or to put it another way, more representation is never a bad thing.


The senate already is controlled by a small segment of the population, this is just making it worse. Time to make Dakota and Wydahotana a reality.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby Proven Veteran » Thu Mar 25, 2021 8:21 pm

JudasIscariotTheBird wrote:Can someone make the case that DC should NOT have national legislative representation!? Wtf are we talking about.


No one is making that case.
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Postby Proven Veteran » Thu Mar 25, 2021 8:22 pm

CoolHandLuke wrote:Seems like such a weird position to hold so strongly.

Do you have a lot of really nice globes or something?



Are you talking to me? I have no problem with changing states. I support Puerto Rico statehood over DC. To me, making DC a state is making our representation problem worse, even if it benefits Democrats.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby Sammy Sofa » Thu Mar 25, 2021 8:59 pm

Proven Veteran wrote:
CoolHandLuke wrote:Seems like such a weird position to hold so strongly.

Do you have a lot of really nice globes or something?



Are you talking to me? I have no problem with changing states. I support Puerto Rico statehood over DC. To me, making DC a state is making our representation problem worse, even if it benefits Democrats.


It's not, since folks in DC currently have no representation, and making them a state giving them some. Denying unrepresented people statehood because one thinks that other states have "too much" representation is, IMO, really, really ass-backwards.

Plus it's simply not realistic at all for Virginia or Maryland to just magically absorb a city like DC. So the options are either let the people of DC continue along, stateless and without actual representation....or make them a state so they can have a voice. We're not mashing DC into other states, and there's zero chance other states are going to get carved up or smooshed together or whatever would make you think a state has "earned" its elected representation, so how about we don't leave DC out in the cold because of a, quite frankly, arbitrary aesthetics disagreement.

It's not an either/or in terms of PR and DC. Both should be states, and should have been states a long time ago.
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Re: The Politics Thread

Postby minnesotacubsfan » Thu Mar 25, 2021 9:51 pm

Yea, I really don't understand the either/or thing
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