Sammy Sofa wrote: squally1313 wrote:
Sammy Sofa wrote:
Vaccination-wise? No, that's not true at all; right now it's trending about as well as can be expected. Yeah, there's a ceiling as to how many people are going to be willing to get it, but we're nowhere near that right now. There's still plenty of people who want it who simply can't due to lack of availability.
Disagree; we don't need to discourage one reckless behavior with other reckless behaviors.
I guess we might just disagree on how much we're going to be able to encourage safe behavior at this point. Either that or we're just grouping populations differently. The people who ignored lockdown guidance to the extent possible, to me, have a ton of overlap with those who are resistant to getting vaccinated. You aren't going to curb their reckless behavior. I think we both agree that come June, things are just going to be open, and there isn't going to be much anyone can do about it (and hopefully there isn't any need to). Entice those people to get the shots. The vaccines are good enough to minimize risk, we should show everyone that.
But this is all hinged on your hypothetical scenario about the bleachers being fully open for business. These people can't force that to happen, now or in June. I don't see how catering to their mindset right now, when we're well off from the relative ceiling we'll hit after all the people who want vaccines can get them, makes any sense, or how it would "entice" them to do anything but keep being horsefeathers heads.
Does that make sense? Again, there are a ton of people who want to and will get the vaccine when it becomes available to them, regardless of these hypothetical promotions we're talking about. No, it won't get us up to 70% or more of the population vaccinated, but it will almost certainly get us to at least half of the population vaccinated. We're only at about 20% at best right now; my hope is that we remain as cautious as we realistically can be until we have at least doubled the total amount of people vaccinated right now. THOSE numbers will be hit once the vaccines are available, so why don't we at least shoot for that as opposed to finding ways to jump the gun needlessly right now?
I'm just trying to think of things that we can be doing now. We're at 20% now, we'll be at 50%-60% in the next...6 weeks hopefully? That's regardless of what happens with restrictions, the numbers, etc. At that point you're going to have half the population given vaccines they have been told repeatedly are incredibly effective (because they are), and then the majority of the rest of population not being careful, not wanting the vaccine, etc. There's not a chance in hell we'll have any remaining restriction card to play to combat whatever is still going on. However it is, that's just how it's going to be.
For me, it's how to get from 50%-60% to 70%-80%. And the only thing I can think of is showing those people they can go back to their garbage way of life without curfews, crowd restrictions, public scrutiny, etc as soon as they can get a shot (with an implied threat that it may take longer than the summer for non-vaccinated people). Yes, there's a downside of delaying vaccines for the people who want to get the shots yesterday, and I'm aware my idea is contingent on distribution keeping up. But we need as many shots as possible between now and the summer. I think we'll have excess capacity/supply by June, and we need to meet it with found demand. A bunch of vaccine hesitant people sitting in their 20% capacity assigned non-bleacher seats, being told to wear their masks and when they can get beer/what bathroom they can go to, etc. looking out at a full bleacher section acting like it's 2019 is a worthwhile enticement.