2021 Trade Deadline Targets, Rumors, and Rampant Speculation

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Postby Backtobanks » Sun Jun 13, 2021 11:22 am

17 Seconds wrote:
Bertz wrote:https://twitter.com/BleacherNation/status/1403734567438090246?s=19

I think I'm aligned with this. The team could really use a starter to stop the bleeding in the rotation. I'd like to go nab someone decent in the next few weeks, and then wait until the deadline to decide whether it makes sense to commit further.


imagine if the cubs had just like kept darvish and spent a measily 30 million on lance lynn. this division was ours for the taking with like 1 modest addition


But that was before PTR "found" some money laying around.
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Postby d_money » Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:08 pm

Backtobanks wrote:
17 Seconds wrote:
Bertz wrote:https://twitter.com/BleacherNation/status/1403734567438090246?s=19

I think I'm aligned with this. The team could really use a starter to stop the bleeding in the rotation. I'd like to go nab someone decent in the next few weeks, and then wait until the deadline to decide whether it makes sense to commit further.


imagine if the cubs had just like kept darvish and spent a measily 30 million on lance lynn. this division was ours for the taking with like 1 modest addition


But that was before PTR "found" some money laying around.

PTR:
1. we can win the division with a modest pitching addition
2. cut payroll with the Darvish trade
3. replenish the farm system with 4 high upside teenagers.

It’s a win-win all around. Good job Jed - you get a year end bonus.
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Postby Backtobanks » Sun Jun 13, 2021 3:35 pm

d_money wrote:
Backtobanks wrote:
17 Seconds wrote:
imagine if the cubs had just like kept darvish and spent a measily 30 million on lance lynn. this division was ours for the taking with like 1 modest addition


But that was before PTR "found" some money laying around.

PTR:
1. we can win the division with a modest pitching addition
2. cut payroll with the Darvish trade
3. replenish the farm system with 4 high upside teenagers.

It’s a win-win all around. Good job Jed - you get a year end bonus.


And Jed's bonus will stop us from re-signing our FAs, saving even more money.
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Postby TomtheBombadil » Mon Jun 14, 2021 12:53 am



Interesting timing for an update?

Joel Sherman from the NY Post mentioned Pablo Lopez as a SP that could come up in trade talks. He’d be firmly behind Marquez/Berrios, both have at least a MPH on him, but yeah with Marte and Garrett Cooper the Marlins may be interesting...I’d be more into Sandy Alcantara, averaging close to 98 MPH, if paying for one of the Marlins RHSPs
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Postby Cubswin11 » Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:49 am

Berrios, yes please. Go get him and win the damn division.
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Re: 2021 Trade Deadline Targets, Rumors, and Rampant Speculation

Postby Tim » Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:48 am

Based on:

- who looks to be sellers right now
- starting pitchers on expiring deals

Baltimore:
nobody

KC:
Danny Duffy - if he comes back healthy from his forearm
Mike Minor - if they're interested in trading someone with a deal through next year

Detroit:
Jose Urena? Nah.
Boyd & Fulmer would be interesting if available and not too expensive. So...probably no.

Minnesota:
Berrios - hells yeah, if they want to move him with 1.5 remaining
Pineda - uh, sure, I guess

Seattle: (maybe)
Nobody tradeable

Texas:
Kyle Gibson - I find him very meh. he's also signed through next year.
Jordan Lyles - could be a cheap option if the cubs think they can help him avoid the dongs
Mike Foltynewicz - He's on a one year contract, but he's probably still controlled for another year

Miami:
Nobody tradeable

Washington:
Max Scherzer - sell the soul for him? maybe
Jon Lester - meh

Pittsburgh:
Nobody

Colorado:
Jon Gray - yes, please
German Marquez - not expiring until next year. Would love him if he could be had

Arizona:
Nobody

So, summing up the slim pickings:

Expiring Deals:
Scherzer
<gap>
<gap>
Jon Gray
Pineda
Danny Duffy
<gap>
Lester
Jordan Lyles

1.5 Years of Control:
Marquez
Berrios
<gap>
Minor
Boyd
<gap>
Gibson
Foltynewicz
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Postby TomtheBombadil » Mon Jun 14, 2021 10:29 am

Berrios actually has 1.5 years, FA in 2023
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Postby Tim » Mon Jun 14, 2021 12:37 pm

TomtheBombadil wrote:Berrios actually has 1.5 years, FA in 2023

thx - fixed it.
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Postby Rob » Mon Jun 14, 2021 1:03 pm

Just throwing this out there, but Scherzer has 10/5 rights so he'd have to approve any trade. And with the amount of money left on his contract thanks to all the deferments, there's a fair bit of financial drama to negotiate (and therefore room to work something out if you're willing to pick up some contract).

I don't know if he'd be willing to pull the trigger on a team like the Yankees who are on the bubble. So I'm guessing (if he goes) he goes to a team already well-positioned for a playoff spot, and one that's willing to put up with a pretty big salary in the right circumstances And all those teams have had excellent pitching so far, sans maybe the Astros and Red Sox.
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Postby Tim » Mon Jun 14, 2021 1:17 pm

fwiw, the Cubs would have three pitchers on that list if they were sellers.
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Postby Andy » Mon Jun 14, 2021 2:55 pm

Rob wrote:Just throwing this out there, but Scherzer has 10/5 rights so he'd have to approve any trade. And with the amount of money left on his contract thanks to all the deferments, there's a fair bit of financial drama to negotiate (and therefore room to work something out if you're willing to pick up some contract).

I don't know if he'd be willing to pull the trigger on a team like the Yankees who are on the bubble. So I'm guessing (if he goes) he goes to a team already well-positioned for a playoff spot, and one that's willing to put up with a pretty big salary in the right circumstances And all those teams have had excellent pitching so far, sans maybe the Astros and Red Sox.

The 10/5 rights were the first thing I thought of. I'd love to take a stab at getting him but between that and the fact that the Nationals would probably want an overpay to pitch him elsewhere after he's spent so long in Washington, I wouldn't get my hopes up.
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Postby Brian » Mon Jun 14, 2021 5:11 pm



I love the phrasing. Yes Crane they won't be the issue, but will wanting to use them be?
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Postby Derwood » Mon Jun 14, 2021 5:32 pm

Right

REPORTER: Is there a money issue for this team come trade deadline time?

KENNEY: No, we have boatloads of cash

REPORTER: So you'll be spending it on some better players

KENNEY: Ha ha ha ha, oh, Jesus Christ, of course not, ha ha ha
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Postby CubinNY » Mon Jun 14, 2021 7:09 pm

Derwood wrote:Right

REPORTER: Is there a money issue for this team come trade deadline time?

KENNEY: No, we have boatloads of cash

REPORTER: So you'll be spending it on some better players

KENNEY: Ha ha ha ha, oh, Jesus Christ, of course not, ha ha ha


It's more like Jed and Crain saying one thing and PTR saying another.

Like a Monty Python skit: PTR, Jed, and Crain sitting at a table at The Hotel Zachery Bar

Jed: We have the money to make some moves in July?

Crain: Yes, we have the money.

PTR: No we don't.

Jed: But Crain said we did.

PTR: No he didn't.

Jed: But you were right here when he said we did.

PTR: No I wasn't.

Jed: But you're right here, I can see you.

PTR: No I'm not.

Jed: You are physically in the space. You're sitting right next to me.

PTR: It's not me.
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Postby Backtobanks » Mon Jun 14, 2021 10:43 pm

Brian wrote:

I love the phrasing. Yes Crane they won't be the issue, but will wanting to use them be?


Finances won't be the issue? Okay Jed go get Scherzer and Castellanos.
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Postby Cubswin11 » Tue Jun 15, 2021 1:12 am

Tim wrote:Based on:

- who looks to be sellers right now
- starting pitchers on expiring deals

Arizona:
Nobody

Caleb Smith and Merrill Kelly are kinda, sorta okay options. Both controlled too. Not at the top of my list and more secondary guys if they go add like Gray and 1 of them, but they’re okay options.
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Postby TomtheBombadil » Tue Jun 15, 2021 1:22 am

^^ I was actually thinking Gray is a guy to trade for early before they do anything serious. I’m sure Hottovy can pull something off with Gray but also they’re not going far if he’s the big add. As a guy in his walk year and unlikely to get the QO, there’s no real need for the Rockies to dillydally, could be one of the first names moved
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Postby Backtobanks » Tue Jun 15, 2021 11:24 am

TomtheBombadil wrote:^^ I was actually thinking Gray is a guy to trade for early before they do anything serious. I’m sure Hottovy can pull something off with Gray but also they’re not going far if he’s the big add. As a guy in his walk year and unlikely to get the QO, there’s no real need for the Rockies to dillydally, could be one of the first names moved


Get Gray early and reassess to see how much more you need to get at the deadline.
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Postby TomtheBombadil » Tue Jun 15, 2021 2:20 pm

A little more Marquez and Berrios smoke...MLB.com ties the Cubs to Marquez, Cardinals to both:

Germán Márquez, RHP, Rockies

The Rockies have already received calls on both Márquez and Jon Gray, and while it’s far from certain that they’ll deal either of the starting pitchers, Márquez is certainly seeing his value appreciate in recent weeks. The right-hander has gone 2-2 with a 3.19 ERA over his past five starts, posting superb outings against both the Mets and Athletics. Márquez is in the third year of a five-year, $43 million contract that runs through 2023, though the Rockies hold a $16 million club option for '24, as well.

Potential fits: Cubs, Cardinals, Yankees
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Postby Tim » Tue Jun 15, 2021 2:26 pm

TomtheBombadil wrote:A little more Marquez and Berrios smoke...MLB.com ties the Cubs to Marquez, Cardinals to both:

Germán Márquez, RHP, Rockies

The Rockies have already received calls on both Márquez and Jon Gray, and while it’s far from certain that they’ll deal either of the starting pitchers, Márquez is certainly seeing his value appreciate in recent weeks. The right-hander has gone 2-2 with a 3.19 ERA over his past five starts, posting superb outings against both the Mets and Athletics. Márquez is in the third year of a five-year, $43 million contract that runs through 2023, though the Rockies hold a $16 million club option for '24, as well.

Potential fits: Cubs, Cardinals, Yankees

One of the benefits of the sweep was that if the Cards get buried in the standings, it probably takes them out of the market we're competing against for starting pitching.
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Postby TomtheBombadil » Tue Jun 15, 2021 4:37 pm

Tim wrote:One of the benefits of the sweep was that if the Cards get buried in the standings, it probably takes them out of the market we're competing against for starting pitching.


Agreed. In general they’re probably tapped out on big trades without giving up Herrera++ anyway unless they’re in first or second
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Postby Brian » Tue Jun 15, 2021 4:51 pm

i believe this is the 10th consecutive season where this board has tried to trade for Jon Gray
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Postby Post Count Padder » Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:44 pm

Just considering what we've done at the deadline the past few years I'm expecting us to trade something like Roederer, Jensen and McAvene to the Tigers for Fullmer or Boyd
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Postby CubinNY » Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:01 pm

Post Count Padder wrote:Just considering what we've done at the deadline the past few years I'm expecting us to trade something like Roederer, Jensen and McAvene to the Tigers for Fullmer or Boyd

I’d be ok with that.
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Re: 2021 Trade Deadline Targets, Rumors, and Rampant Speculation

Postby TomtheBombadil » Fri Jun 18, 2021 2:27 am

It's just blog speculation but:

https://twinsdaily.com/index.html/minne ... ade-r10899

Milwaukee Brewers

The Brewers are in the thick of the NL Central race and they have the NL Wild Card spot to fall back on if they lose out in the division title. Only one NL team, the Braves, have accumulate less WAR in center than the Brewers. Most of Milwaukee’s negative WAR total has come on the offensive side where their center fielders have combined for a -15.6 offensive runs above average which is the worst in baseball. As a small market team, Milwaukee needs to take advantage of every postseason opportunity, especially since the club has made the playoffs in three of the last four years.


Maybe more interesting is that there seems to be some tension between Buxton and the Twins right now, even mentioned a little in that post. Just saying the team that gets Buxton, if he were to be available, is maybe going to get 7-8 WAR* between August and October year if they can keep him healthy. I'd liken it to the 2015 Cardinals trading for Heyward + getting some of that 4.7 fWAR 2014 too

*assuming he comes back from the DL hitting well

He’s making $5.125 million this year, probably less than $3 million for August-September-October
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